• WiνΛlem OrtΛνíz
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    82 years ago

    I don’t like Zelenskiy but people saying Ukraine is responsible for this war, you have cognitive dissonance (big time).

    • @Stoned_Ape
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      102 years ago

      people saying Ukraine is responsible for this war

      I never heard anyone say that. Who the fuck would say something ridiculous like that? People either say “It’s only Russia” or “It’s the fucking NATO!”. But “It’s Ukraine”? Never heard that at all.

      • @agarorn@feddit.de
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        I heard the Russian propaganda that Russia “had” to interfere to save Russians in Ukraine being oppressed by “Nazi” Selensky. Complete crap, but that’s what some are arguing.

        • @Stoned_Ape
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          82 years ago

          Eh… I’m not saying that Russia is a pure country full of love for every human being. Humans can be quite shitty, and that’s true for Russia as well as any other part of the world, and equally true for most governments.

          But… there WAS an extremely cruel civil war going on in the Ukraine, and it was between “pro-west” Ukrainians and “pro-russia” Ukrainians. That’s a fact. 14,000 people died in that civil war from 2014 to 2022. That’s before the war started.

          I have no idea if Selensky is a Nazi, but the truth is that he sure does employ a lot of people who are incredibly obvious Nazis. Right down to Nazi tattoos and all that shit.

          That’s not some weird fantasy, that’s a fact. The only weird thing is that so many people choose to act as if that is a completely normal thing to have: Multiple militarized (sic!) Nazi battalions working for the state, paid by the state, with weapons provided by the state (and their friends).

          Everybody can have their own opinion about this, but these are facts. Very obvious and provable facts.

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            • @Stoned_Ape
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              The whole world is affected by this. Ukrainian and Russian men are affected, because they fight and die in this war. And you’re right, what you said are also facts.

              We should stress every single government who has something to gain from this to stop what they are doing, and let people live in democracy and peace. That’s a fucking long way to go, but better to start that way before WWIII, and not after. I prefer that very much.

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              Can you show me all those Nazi Black Sun and Nazi Eagle emblem soldiers of Russia? I have seen too many of Ukrainian Nazi soldiers, officially running a political party, officially instated into national military, and even multiple battalions and units, and even blood swastikas painted on dead Russian womens’ chests.

              I also see Nazi collaborator monuments in Ukraine, none of which I see in Russia for some reason. What might it just be?

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                • @TheAnonymouseJoker
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                  west likes to call “Wagner group” of mercenaries, which are under direct control of a close Putin ally

                  You got proof for that, or are you going to be one of those silent Russophobes wanting to cheer for NATO?

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      • krolden
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        Isn’t that a big red flag (heh) that he’s not actually in charge?

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          • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
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            Zelensky banned all the opposition parties, he banned media, and prosecuted dissenters. Claiming that he’s an elected official with a weak mandate is incredibly disingenuous.

          • @TheAnonymouseJoker
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            So, who was this person who banned all opposition political parties, like a literal Adolf Hitler 2.0?

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              • @thervingi
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                22 years ago

                Didn’t Zelensky ban the largest opposition party in Ukraine?

              • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
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                You’re right, right wing parties haven’t been banned in Ukraine, it’s just the left wing ones. Funny how you always carry water for the nazis.

              • @TheAnonymouseJoker
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                You need to lay off the NATO propaganda, there are almost no legal opposition parties in Ukraine right now. What was not banned was a massive party with direct links to Nazis and direct funding from NATO.

            • krolden
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              Well AFAIK Ukraine doesn’t have any genocide camps.

              • @TheAnonymouseJoker
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                They do, they are just more open style instead of specialised buildings. The thousands of killings since 2014 after USA’s coup government installation, and the empowerment of units like C14, Right Sektor, Azov and others makes it very apparent.

    • @thervingi
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      62 years ago

      I think Ukraine believed until the very end that Western support would stop Russians from attacking.

      Ukraine made the mistake of trying to reclaim Luhansk and Donetsk, even though the Russian side is clearly stronger.