Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said a ceasefire with Russia without reclaiming lost territories would only prolong the war, according to an interview with the Wall Street Journal on Friday.
  • WiνΛlem OrtΛνíz
    2416·
    vor 2 Jahren

    I don’t like Zelenskiy but people saying Ukraine is responsible for this war, you have cognitive dissonance (big time).

    • Stoned_Ape
      177·
      vor 2 Jahren

      people saying Ukraine is responsible for this war

      I never heard anyone say that. Who the fuck would say something ridiculous like that? People either say “It’s only Russia” or “It’s the fucking NATO!”. But “It’s Ukraine”? Never heard that at all.

      • agarorn@feddit.de
        2215·
        vor 2 Jahren

        I heard the Russian propaganda that Russia “had” to interfere to save Russians in Ukraine being oppressed by “Nazi” Selensky. Complete crap, but that’s what some are arguing.

        • Stoned_Ape
          2012·
          vor 2 Jahren

          Eh… I’m not saying that Russia is a pure country full of love for every human being. Humans can be quite shitty, and that’s true for Russia as well as any other part of the world, and equally true for most governments.

          But… there WAS an extremely cruel civil war going on in the Ukraine, and it was between “pro-west” Ukrainians and “pro-russia” Ukrainians. That’s a fact. 14,000 people died in that civil war from 2014 to 2022. That’s before the war started.

          I have no idea if Selensky is a Nazi, but the truth is that he sure does employ a lot of people who are incredibly obvious Nazis. Right down to Nazi tattoos and all that shit.

          That’s not some weird fantasy, that’s a fact. The only weird thing is that so many people choose to act as if that is a completely normal thing to have: Multiple militarized (sic!) Nazi battalions working for the state, paid by the state, with weapons provided by the state (and their friends).

          Everybody can have their own opinion about this, but these are facts. Very obvious and provable facts.

          • poVoq
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            vor 2 Jahren

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            • Stoned_Ape
              71·
              vor 2 Jahren

              The whole world is affected by this. Ukrainian and Russian men are affected, because they fight and die in this war. And you’re right, what you said are also facts.

              We should stress every single government who has something to gain from this to stop what they are doing, and let people live in democracy and peace. That’s a fucking long way to go, but better to start that way before WWIII, and not after. I prefer that very much.

    • poVoq
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      • krolden
        33·
        vor 2 Jahren

        Isn’t that a big red flag (heh) that he’s not actually in charge?

        • poVoq
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          • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
            58·
            vor 2 Jahren

            Zelensky banned all the opposition parties, he banned media, and prosecuted dissenters. Claiming that he’s an elected official with a weak mandate is incredibly disingenuous.

            • poVoq
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              • thervingi
                42·
                vor 2 Jahren

                Didn’t Zelensky ban the largest opposition party in Ukraine?

              • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
                67·
                vor 2 Jahren

                You’re right, right wing parties haven’t been banned in Ukraine, it’s just the left wing ones. Funny how you always carry water for the nazis.

            • krolden
              101·
              vor 2 Jahren

              Well AFAIK Ukraine doesn’t have any genocide camps.

                • krolden
                  81·
                  vor 2 Jahren

                  so you say ukranians are genociding whom? and to what end? have any non hearsay sources on this?

                  • guojing
                    310·
                    vor 2 Jahren

                    Well they are shooting at civilians in Donbass since 8 years. And openly say that all “moscuvites” (Russians) need to be killed, inclusing children. Sounds very much like genocide to me.

    • thervingi
      93·
      vor 2 Jahren

      I think Ukraine believed until the very end that Western support would stop Russians from attacking.

      Ukraine made the mistake of trying to reclaim Luhansk and Donetsk, even though the Russian side is clearly stronger.