I want instance eventually like CENSORSHIP FREE where people can say anything, like the voat except no limiters placwd on you and you can SAY ANYTHING whenever you want ans

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    I really hate how free speech arguments boil down to: “it’s gonna be alt-right haven!”. Why can’t we have free speech to call out mods or even government officials for being idiots while still keeping the nazis and conspiracy nuts grounded?

    I feel that free speech philosophy suffers from the same issue anarchy does — it could only really work in small strong communities that would oppose bad actors instinctively. So maybe lemmy instance with peer reviewed/closed registration?

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      Well keeping the Nazis and conspiracy nuts grounded would require there to be a policing of their speech, so it’s not possible to be 100% free speech while keeping them in check. It’s contradictory. Sure you could have SOME free speech while limiting theirs, but then it’s not 100% like what I assume the OP is talking about.

      You’ve got a point about it being easier with a smaller group of people, though. There’s no need to limit speech if you already know no one in the group will abuse it.

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        Well keeping the Nazis and conspiracy nuts grounded would require there to be a policing of their speech,

        That’s not necessarily true.
        You assume that bad actors can only be dealt with through authoritarianism when liberal-left would argue that it’s possible to have a self-moderating community either through democratic moderation (upvotes/downvotes) or reeducation (e.g. defundthepolice).

        Most “free-speech” proponents for discussion platforms such as lemmy are arguing against authoritarian censorship not a democratic one. Free-speech is an issue of authoritarians vs liberals not left vs right, but somehow people always pull out the “bad nazi right” strawman.

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          You assume that bad actors can only be dealt with through authoritarianism

          That is sadly very common. As it seems, doing the wrong thing for the right reasons makes it a right thing. If you ask me, it doesn’t work out this way. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

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          It’s really interesting how far auth-left this community is turning out to be.