This conflict goes back much further than last month and NATO expansion is absolutely a key cause of this war. Being sarcastic about it doesn’t change that.
The NATO is a defense agreement. Of course, Russia won’t be a fan of everyone else forming an alliance, but they wouldn’t need to care either, if they don’t plan to invade anyone.
And their immediate neighbors certainly wouldn’t either be joining a defense agreement with foreign forces rather than with Russia, if they felt like they could trust Russia, let alone need defense against Russia.
I responded to this in another comment but simply put: NATO isn’t a defensive alliance and it never was. That’s a paper-thin lie that isn’t supported by their history whatsoever. If NATO were to expand to Ukraine, they would threaten Russia militarily, if not outright coup them.
Ukraine is a nazi-influenced country, of course it would be scared of russia. Russia, with its many faults, still fucking hates nazis. NATO is also not a defense alliance, it is an imperialist alliance made to kill communism, and expand the power of its leader, the United States.
name one nazi battalion in russia with police authority. One. Name a single openly nazi official in the entirety of the russian parliament. Can you even properly spout your own propaganda?
If you read that article, nowhere it says it’s fictional. It’s the informal name given to a loose group of organizations. You really want to push some narrative here.
No, because the Nazi Battalions in ukraine have police authority. Thats why its been hell for ethnic russians. the Wagner group is despicable, but are not a concrete organization. It is more of a broad name about different mercs and some groups that could be hired.
Uh yeah because that’s what NATO does. It’s not a defensive alliance and it never was, just look at what happened to Yugoslavia and Libya. NATO is a clear and present danger to every country that opposes the west and if they expanded to Ukraine, they would be able to install military bases right next door to Russia’s capital. And they would undoubtedly use them.
Also, Ukraine was coup’d in 2014 by the US so it’s very debatable how much of the people’s will is represented by the decisions of their government. Especially considering Ukraine has since been in a civil war between those who refuse to recognize the puppet government and those who support it.
And if we’re talking about respecting sovereignty, then Ukraine should have followed the Minsk protocols. To Russia’s credit, they tried resolving this conflict diplomatically for 8 years. If Russia was half as war-loving as the US, they wouldn’t have negotiated their problems at all & would’ve sent their troops in years ago.
And what does Zelensky being Jewish have to do with anything? You realize Israel exists, right? Do you also believe that the USA ended anti-black racism because Obama was president too?
What the fuck was Libya? Yugoslavia? NATO is an alliance of anglo scum and any real leftist that isn’t an idiotic neoliberal shitcake worth their salt would not take their side. My god people like this are truly the lowest of scum. Don’t try to reply, I won’t make an effort to continue talking to idiots.
The countries joined NATO voluntarily. (They also freely applied to join.) That’s what sovereign, free states do, they decide their own destiny and don’t let another state dictate anything to them.
most joined in 1997, fuck, russia tried to at one point. they’ve all wanted to split russia and make themselves stronger, have for a while. I think some are now, but only a few will. Contrary to popular belief, most of the people not in NATO despise it.
Fuck that, Im glad the NATO scum have enemies, and I hope the alliance burns to ash. May socialism destroy its enemies. Russia gained little power during this fight, but NATO lost far more. Each are now very much able to be revolted against. Lenin is young again, as the third world rises to burn the 1st.
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This conflict goes back much further than last month and NATO expansion is absolutely a key cause of this war. Being sarcastic about it doesn’t change that.
The NATO is a defense agreement. Of course, Russia won’t be a fan of everyone else forming an alliance, but they wouldn’t need to care either, if they don’t plan to invade anyone.
And their immediate neighbors certainly wouldn’t either be joining a defense agreement with foreign forces rather than with Russia, if they felt like they could trust Russia, let alone need defense against Russia.
Ah yes it’s just an innocent defensive alliance that has been relentlessly expanding and invading countries for the past 30 years.
“if I kill all of my enemies, its basically defence”
I responded to this in another comment but simply put: NATO isn’t a defensive alliance and it never was. That’s a paper-thin lie that isn’t supported by their history whatsoever. If NATO were to expand to Ukraine, they would threaten Russia militarily, if not outright coup them.
Ukraine is a nazi-influenced country, of course it would be scared of russia. Russia, with its many faults, still fucking hates nazis. NATO is also not a defense alliance, it is an imperialist alliance made to kill communism, and expand the power of its leader, the United States.
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name one nazi battalion in russia with police authority. One. Name a single openly nazi official in the entirety of the russian parliament. Can you even properly spout your own propaganda?
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Nazism is 100% illegal in russia. Meanwhile, not only is nazism 100% legal in Ukraine (and the US), the current Ukrainian government upholds them:
https://forward.com/news/462916/nazi-collaborator-monuments-in-ukraine/
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Oh you mean a fictional made up group? https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/07/06/what-is-wagner-group-russia-mercenaries-military-contractor/
If you read that article, nowhere it says it’s fictional. It’s the informal name given to a loose group of organizations. You really want to push some narrative here.
No, because the Nazi Battalions in ukraine have police authority. Thats why its been hell for ethnic russians. the Wagner group is despicable, but are not a concrete organization. It is more of a broad name about different mercs and some groups that could be hired.
You know who else does protection agreements? The mafia.
The mafia does extractive protection agreements, not mutual defense protection agreements.
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Uh yeah because that’s what NATO does. It’s not a defensive alliance and it never was, just look at what happened to Yugoslavia and Libya. NATO is a clear and present danger to every country that opposes the west and if they expanded to Ukraine, they would be able to install military bases right next door to Russia’s capital. And they would undoubtedly use them.
Also, Ukraine was coup’d in 2014 by the US so it’s very debatable how much of the people’s will is represented by the decisions of their government. Especially considering Ukraine has since been in a civil war between those who refuse to recognize the puppet government and those who support it.
And if we’re talking about respecting sovereignty, then Ukraine should have followed the Minsk protocols. To Russia’s credit, they tried resolving this conflict diplomatically for 8 years. If Russia was half as war-loving as the US, they wouldn’t have negotiated their problems at all & would’ve sent their troops in years ago.
And what does Zelensky being Jewish have to do with anything? You realize Israel exists, right? Do you also believe that the USA ended anti-black racism because Obama was president too?
Defensively bombing and overthrowing yugoslavia, libya…
What the fuck was Libya? Yugoslavia? NATO is an alliance of anglo scum and any real leftist that isn’t an idiotic neoliberal shitcake worth their salt would not take their side. My god people like this are truly the lowest of scum. Don’t try to reply, I won’t make an effort to continue talking to idiots.
The countries joined NATO voluntarily. (They also freely applied to join.) That’s what sovereign, free states do, they decide their own destiny and don’t let another state dictate anything to them.
lmao, imagine thinking they aren’t US puppets
Imagine thinking they’re not joining because they’re scared of Russia invading just like with Georgia and Ukraine.
most joined in 1997, fuck, russia tried to at one point. they’ve all wanted to split russia and make themselves stronger, have for a while. I think some are now, but only a few will. Contrary to popular belief, most of the people not in NATO despise it.
I wish that 1997 spirit had been maintained. So many resources and now lives are wasted over the distrust between NATO and Russia.
Fuck that, Im glad the NATO scum have enemies, and I hope the alliance burns to ash. May socialism destroy its enemies. Russia gained little power during this fight, but NATO lost far more. Each are now very much able to be revolted against. Lenin is young again, as the third world rises to burn the 1st.
Suit yourself. I’d rather see a world working together to achieve peace.
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Ratio’d
And Oceania has always been in war with Eastasia. !politicalhumor@lemmy.ml would be more fitting for this.