• Water Bowl Slime@lemmygrad.ml
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    3 years ago

    This conflict goes back much further than last month and NATO expansion is absolutely a key cause of this war. Being sarcastic about it doesn’t change that.

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      3 years ago

      The NATO is a defense agreement. Of course, Russia won’t be a fan of everyone else forming an alliance, but they wouldn’t need to care either, if they don’t plan to invade anyone.
      And their immediate neighbors certainly wouldn’t either be joining a defense agreement with foreign forces rather than with Russia, if they felt like they could trust Russia, let alone need defense against Russia.

      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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        3 years ago

        Ah yes it’s just an innocent defensive alliance that has been relentlessly expanding and invading countries for the past 30 years.

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        3 years ago

        I responded to this in another comment but simply put: NATO isn’t a defensive alliance and it never was. That’s a paper-thin lie that isn’t supported by their history whatsoever. If NATO were to expand to Ukraine, they would threaten Russia militarily, if not outright coup them.

      • Catradora-Stalinism☭@lemmygrad.ml
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        3 years ago

        Ukraine is a nazi-influenced country, of course it would be scared of russia. Russia, with its many faults, still fucking hates nazis. NATO is also not a defense alliance, it is an imperialist alliance made to kill communism, and expand the power of its leader, the United States.

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        3 years ago

        You know who else does protection agreements? The mafia.

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          3 years ago

          The mafia does extractive protection agreements, not mutual defense protection agreements.

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        Uh yeah because that’s what NATO does. It’s not a defensive alliance and it never was, just look at what happened to Yugoslavia and Libya. NATO is a clear and present danger to every country that opposes the west and if they expanded to Ukraine, they would be able to install military bases right next door to Russia’s capital. And they would undoubtedly use them.

        Also, Ukraine was coup’d in 2014 by the US so it’s very debatable how much of the people’s will is represented by the decisions of their government. Especially considering Ukraine has since been in a civil war between those who refuse to recognize the puppet government and those who support it.

        And if we’re talking about respecting sovereignty, then Ukraine should have followed the Minsk protocols. To Russia’s credit, they tried resolving this conflict diplomatically for 8 years. If Russia was half as war-loving as the US, they wouldn’t have negotiated their problems at all & would’ve sent their troops in years ago.

        And what does Zelensky being Jewish have to do with anything? You realize Israel exists, right? Do you also believe that the USA ended anti-black racism because Obama was president too?

      • Catradora-Stalinism☭@lemmygrad.ml
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        What the fuck was Libya? Yugoslavia? NATO is an alliance of anglo scum and any real leftist that isn’t an idiotic neoliberal shitcake worth their salt would not take their side. My god people like this are truly the lowest of scum. Don’t try to reply, I won’t make an effort to continue talking to idiots.