The vaccines are obviously safe, but can someone explain 2021 data from openvaers?

Or maybe we should ignore data in the interest of science.

  • मुक्तOP
    11·
    3 years ago

    Uh… mate, you are trying to imply there’s an anomaly, not me. It’s you who should be doing that work. But still…

    I am not implying there is an anomaly. There is an anomaly, I am asking for explanation.

    11514 cases according to vaers (accuracy is discussed because of how the report system works) 193.8M vaccinated people https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations_vacc-total-admin-rate-total

    As I said, this data is available easily.

    That means there’s… well, do the maths, I’m on the phone and don’t have the means to calculate the exact number but 11k cases in 193M people… I’d say is quite low.

    How is this low? Typical safe vaccines have less than 10 adverse events per million doses administered, over long term observation.

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html for more info.

    Scroll down the link. This is written on this page: However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths pdf icon[1.4 MB, 33 pages].

    I don’t know what are you expecting to find, the data is there and the issues are quite low, always inside the expected values. I ask you again, where is the anomaly? And what are you trying to demonstrate?

    I am not sure why you are wasting space with these questions. To humour you, I need a clarification from your side:

    • Do you not understand the chart in the opening post?
    • Or you don’t see how data for 2021 is anomalous?
    • Or you don’t understand what the word anomaly means?

    Which one is it?

    EDIT : typos, grammar fixes

      • मुक्तOP
        12·
        3 years ago

        The amount of spoonfeeding you need is an anomaly in itself. Here, definition of the word from :

        a·nom·a·ly (ə-nŏm′ə-lē)
        n. pl. a·nom·a·lies

        1. Deviation or departure from the normal or common order, form, or rule.
        2. One that is peculiar, irregular, abnormal, or difficult to classify: “Both men are anomalies: they have … likable personalities but each has made his reputation as a heavy” (David Pauly).
        3. Astronomy The angular deviation, as observed from the sun, of a planet from its perihelion.

        Now check the graph again.

          • sexy_peach@feddit.de
            21·
            3 years ago

            They obviously are a bad faith actor, so many replies and they weren’t even willing to make a proper claim.

              • मुक्तOP
                12·
                3 years ago

                So you are here not to discuss the data but to do your prejudiced advocacy of vaccines, regardless of what your actual findings are. How are your own actions, not in bad faith?

                  • मुक्तOP
                    11·
                    3 years ago

                    Your claim that there is no anomaly amounts to claiming that the data of 2021 is in line with other data in the chart. Even a 13 year old can see that that is not the case just by looking at the chart.

                    I even posted dictionary definition of the word anomaly, but it seems many have lost the ability to understand from that and somehow faith becomes the central issue.

                    Is medical science a religion now?

            • मुक्तOP
              12·
              3 years ago

              The claim is simple enough : there is a chart summarizing some data where one value doesn’t fit the pattern. An anomaly. The reason for its existence is sought.

              I agree with you that the issue is with faith. A rational mind wouldn’t jump so many hoops to deny the existence of anomaly as some of the folks here.

              EDIT : slight altering of sentences for clarity; fixed typos.

                • मुक्तOP
                  1·
                  3 years ago

                  I’d like to see just one “rebuttal” that makes sense or even rationally holds together.

                  I am yet to prove anything either way, and this must have been clear to anyone interacting in good faith. I could even refer you to dictionary definition of proof, but your capacity to benefit from that exercise is questionable.

          • मुक्तOP
            1·
            3 years ago

            How many cases did the vaccines cause before this year? What was the pre COVID value of X?

              • मुक्तOP
                1·
                3 years ago

                And you fail to explain every time why should that matter when the data being analyzed is aggregate of all vaccines.

                What exactly is different about covid vaccines? Why should they be seggregated from other vaccines for your purposes?

                  • मुक्तOP
                    13·
                    3 years ago

                    Different vaccines, different reactions.

                    How is this a good argument?
                    Every vaccine is a different vaccine when it is first developed. Has a different reaction. You appear to be saying the same thing about covid vaccines.

                    Since each vaccine is different and has different reaction, vaccines are tested over years, sometimes decades, before they are labelled safe. I recall reading about a vaccine which was found to be causing fatal side effects after 27 years of examining, and officially stopped only after that.

                    Since mRNA is an untested technology, a rational mind would ask more questions about it, not less. Seek answers. To accept it on basis of faith without due testing, due questioning, and due skeptical thought is textbook example of cult behaviour.