Stolen from r/vegancirclejerk
Edit: figured out c/vegancirclejerk is a thing
I think the original mod of this community is gone, so let me know if you want to mod this so you can keep it pure vegan.
Yeah, I can mod this community when I’m around. Better than no mods at all
Tagging @k_o_t@lemmy.ml and @SloppilyFloss@lemmy.ml too as they might be interested as well
K, done.
The more I think about it the more I don’t understand the point of vegetarianism.
i like how this discussion is slowly deviating into all sorts of tangential themes :)
vegetarians 👏 are 👏 worse 👏 than 👏 omnis
there, i said it
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are you genuinely asking about my position or you are just saying that you think that it’s incorrect? (this is a genuine question)
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vegetarians are people that are aware of the circumstances of animal agriculture, and all the pain and suffering that it imposes on trillions of animals around the world year after year, and yet they still choose to contribute to animal suffering and their inevitable subsequent death, while an average omnivore is unaware of the aforementioned circumstances
This is ridiculous. Transitioning to a plant-based diet is not an easy thing to do for many people. Those that are vegetarian have been pivotal in raising awareness about animal sufferring and providing more eating options everywhere in society. It provides a way for people to slowly but surely move towards the ideal vegan diet without putting their health at risk.
It provides a way for people to slowly but surely move towards the ideal vegan diet without putting their health at risk.
The fact that vegeterianism is a popular transitioning point for many to becoming vegan doesn’t change what I wrote in the previous comment. I see human and animal life having the same value, and I call out vegetarians out for that, as their diet contributes to animal suffering and murder while they are fully aware of it, simple as that.
I’m not suggesting that anything you said in that comment was wrong. I’m challenging whether it is a supporting argument for your preposterous claim that vegetarians are worse than omnis
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ok, even if they’re not aware of it, which i think they are, vegans trolling them is in my opining going to help them transition to a vegan diet
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oh yeah, this is a really cool analogy actually
regular car owners=omniselectric car owners=vegetariansbike riders/PEV owners=egansthat perfectly conveys the sense that electric cars are only marginally better than cars with internal combustion engines
Or is it all wrong even if only humane farms existed?
the reality is that this kind of vegetarians represent a very tiny fraction of all vegetarians, with most of cheese and dairy production resulting in immense harm and death to the animals that produce it
however, even if all farms were “humane”, as you describe it, which I presume means they don’t forcible impregnate them, don’t kill them as soon as they become unprofitable etc, i would still think that vegetarianism is morally unjustified
the reason being that (in case of eggs) chickens were selectively bred to produce huge numbers of eggs, which leads to various diseases and complications in their bodies and eating eggs is still murder in any case, and (in case of cheese) taking milk from mammals means taking the milk that would otherwise be intended for their baby, which also makes is unjustifiable
and this is all without even factoring in the environmental impact of animal agriculture done in any form…
What is it about eating eggs that makes it murder? Is it that there is a live embryo inside the egg that makes it murder? Not all eggs have an actual baby chick inside them so I don’t think that would be considered murder.
Note: Yes I know that the conditions that egg laying chickens are horrible. My question was not about that.
But some people need a car for their job, and could not do without it. Those that have electric cars are demonstrating that they care about the enivronment, which raises awareness, and allows us to move towards a society free of fossil fuels. Yes, they are bad, but you’ll get nowhere by saying that people who sympathise with your cause and listen to and agree with you are “worse than” the people who simply ignore what you have to say.
In a certain way, if it’s cruel to isolate living organisms like pigs because of our need of meat, then hunting would surprisingly be a real alternative.
Animals die in their natural environment by serving their natural role of prey, and humans used to fill the rol of a predator in their previous environments, so hunting would mean there’s no need to torture animals and at the same time we would get the natural nutrients that comes from the meat.
Fishing is a good activity in that regard.
no
Allow me to disagree
wait, are you seriously proposing hunting as a viable alternative to both veganism and current animal agriculture?
If you are vegan, no, that would be mean.
But, either talking about animal agriculture or agriculture itself… it would be surprising to a lot of people to realize that both models are incredibly inefficient and some cultures who were truly auto sustainable never used them to survive.
I saw hunting as something cruel in the past… but i thinks i was wrong, it’s crueler to treat animas like bags of meat, and being confined in such a small space leads some species to cannibalism, such as birds.
in your initial comment you stated
In a certain way, if it’s cruel to isolate living organisms like pigs because of our need of meat, then hunting would surprisingly be a real alternative.
i supposed that you meant an alternative to animal agriculture, if it’s not so, then an alternative to what?
animal agriculture
Yep, that was the whole thing.
ok, I just genuinely don’t know how to respond to this
