A lot of more tankie leftists have a blindspot when it comes to China, so I’m not going to get into that for now. But many also admire China for it’s anti poverty action, rapid modernisation while maintaining a relatively planned economy and view it as an alternative to free market capitalism – hence offering their critical support. It is also true that some of the reports from Uyghur camps are sensationalised to create anti-China fervour in the west to whet an appetite for sanctions/divert attention from domestic troubles.
Liberal and imperialist can absolutely be on the same side of the coin – Democrats in America consistently label themselves as liberal and launch interventions into other, poorer countries. There is bipartisan support for passing expanded military budgets and continuance of Monroe Doctrine-esque policies. They often support the toppling of elected leftist leaders like Evo Morales in Bolivia (note the initial support of the NYT for the military coup). I’d recommend reading up Chomsky – Hopes and Prospects is a decent book.
So any foreign affairs is imperialist? Have you looked into China’s foreign “investments” and this very own rail belt? What out extreme and forceful “unification” of China by conquering Tibet? What about fake islands and claims in East sea to the point of calling it “south China’s sea” ? What about government sanctioned fishing piracy?
If that’s not imperialism I don’t fucking know what is.
What a load of bullshit propaganda you sheep. Also what’s up with this US VS China bullshit - you’re aware there are 6 more billion people on this planet right?
Hi, just to be clear, I don’t think China does not have imperialist ambitions. Tibet, South China Sea, B&R have a definite imperial component. Sorry if it came off that way. Just making clear that liberalism has imperialist motivations too.
Apart from that, if any of the rest seems like propoganda I can provide sources. Additionally US and China are global powers locked into conflict at the moment, and this thread was about China. The world does often function like US allies vs China with Russia offering nominal support to China in some contexts and also doing it’s own thread.
So if the US wages illegal wars on the other side of the world, installs dictatorships and overthrows elected governments its not imperialism? But when China trades with other countries without interfering in their business, that’s imperialism? Thanks, I’m gonna tell Lenin about this incredible insight of yours.
@dessalines@lemmy.ml Don’t you have a decent write up on GitHub (with sources) on how the Xin Jiang Muslim oppression thing is mostly false? Mind posting it here? I couldn’t find it.
Ewww, seems like Chinese fascist propaganda machine is full force right there 😬
Edit: so many down votes by trolls lol
seems like the nato propaganda machine is in full force here
lol, good ol’ whataboutism!
It'S all aBOut sTopPiNg CHINas EcONOMY; whaT camPs?🤮🤮 You’re a disgusting fascist.Fuck off liberal
edit: fuck off imperialist
Lol make up your mind - you’re aware than imperialist and liberal would be on different ends of a political compass 😂
Also its quite funny that you call me imperialist while defending arguably the most imperialistic country in the world.
You’re so dim that if you were a pencil you’d be a fucking eraser lol
A lot of more tankie leftists have a blindspot when it comes to China, so I’m not going to get into that for now. But many also admire China for it’s anti poverty action, rapid modernisation while maintaining a relatively planned economy and view it as an alternative to free market capitalism – hence offering their critical support. It is also true that some of the reports from Uyghur camps are sensationalised to create anti-China fervour in the west to whet an appetite for sanctions/divert attention from domestic troubles.
Liberal and imperialist can absolutely be on the same side of the coin – Democrats in America consistently label themselves as liberal and launch interventions into other, poorer countries. There is bipartisan support for passing expanded military budgets and continuance of Monroe Doctrine-esque policies. They often support the toppling of elected leftist leaders like Evo Morales in Bolivia (note the initial support of the NYT for the military coup). I’d recommend reading up Chomsky – Hopes and Prospects is a decent book.
So any foreign affairs is imperialist? Have you looked into China’s foreign “investments” and this very own rail belt? What out extreme and forceful “unification” of China by conquering Tibet? What about fake islands and claims in East sea to the point of calling it “south China’s sea” ? What about government sanctioned fishing piracy?
If that’s not imperialism I don’t fucking know what is.
What a load of bullshit propaganda you sheep. Also what’s up with this US VS China bullshit - you’re aware there are 6 more billion people on this planet right?
Hi, just to be clear, I don’t think China does not have imperialist ambitions. Tibet, South China Sea, B&R have a definite imperial component. Sorry if it came off that way. Just making clear that liberalism has imperialist motivations too.
Apart from that, if any of the rest seems like propoganda I can provide sources. Additionally US and China are global powers locked into conflict at the moment, and this thread was about China. The world does often function like US allies vs China with Russia offering nominal support to China in some contexts and also doing it’s own thread.
Just one question, which country has the most military bases across the world? Hint, its not China.
You somehow imply that having a military base makes you imperialist when it’s just defence alliance 101.
So if the US wages illegal wars on the other side of the world, installs dictatorships and overthrows elected governments its not imperialism? But when China trades with other countries without interfering in their business, that’s imperialism? Thanks, I’m gonna tell Lenin about this incredible insight of yours.
Ah good ol whataboutism! China is not imperialist because USA is numbah one empire! There can be only 1 empire on this planet god-gosh-darn-it!
Or do you imply that USA is somehow a liberal country lol?
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@dessalines@lemmy.ml Don’t you have a decent write up on GitHub (with sources) on how the Xin Jiang Muslim oppression thing is mostly false? Mind posting it here? I couldn’t find it.
This one https://github.com/taibangle/awesome-china ?
Sure, here.