Shocking footage. Unaware Ukrainian troops mistake an approaching Russian tank for one of their own and suffer the terrible consequences. The camera man runs away inmediatly. You can hear the fray of the battle behind. vid: https://files.catbox.moe/7neb54.MOV
I feel like this might be necessary to say. Those are still 8 people whose parents will never see again. So like unless these guys are confirmed nazis I’m not sure we should be celebrating this.
this right here is what makes this community truly different from that redditor horde.
if it were russians getting blasted and posted on a normie subreddit, and everyone would be celebrating. “8 dead orks [insert crab emoji]” or whatever.
this war is a tragedy for regular people, with select few benefitting from it and countless being manipulated to believe its somehow “good”.
all that aside, i see a potential for a fresh meme template here… lets pretend the guys on the picture are azov or banderists
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The war itself is an progressive force towards a socialist world, and is objectively “good” from the perspective of those struggling against the Fourth Reich.
Do not wash this war down into some abstract universal reflection of evil.
This war is unfortunately necessary to defeat the Nazi Empire.
with select few benefitting from it and countless being manipulated to believe its somehow “good”.
The “select few” benefiting from it are the people of the entire world outside of the Fourth Reich.
I find your framing to be abstract.
tell that to the families who are struggling to put food on the table right now despite everyone working hard for it. tell them how good this war is for them.
the rich arent bleeding out in ukrainian flatlands right now. and its not the rich that paying the price when they enter a market.
who are you really supporting? because this war could have been avoided.
Holy shit you’re actually an anarchist.
This isn’t about me going to victims of US Imperialism and telling them that the war is “good for them”
I’m blown away that this is your analysis.
Who am I supporting?
I am supporting the end of White Hegemonic Empire. You are supporting an abstract fantasy where that is supposed to happen without innocent people being affected.
Every death in this war is a responsibility of the Fourth Reich.
Your abstract, immaterial analysis is borderline Nazi apologia.
Was this guy banned for this comment? Seems unwarranted if this was the only reason.
If you check his profile page, he has repeatedly offended others and has been a constant pain in the ass. In the modlog you can see they were banned for being disrespectful to others, not because of his shitty take
They were accusing people of being anarchists and spreading nazi apologia without any sources. Repeatedly. I blocked them because they were so annoying I assumed it was a troll.
Modlog says “broke rule 3 and called an admin a moron”. It’s fair.
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Before replying consider this: I don’t care about forum drama, please don’t make me care about forum drama.
Calling an admin a moron is not something that should be a bannable offence.
so support russia, no matter the cost? even at the detriment of the very class and people we are supposed to stand for? because you wont have an easy time explaining this to people affected by this conflict. try to reflect on why past socialist states fell and lost popular support. it really doesnt matter how well you wrap an idea, as soon as people struggle to put food on the table or you make too many mothers and fathers cry, you are done and people will turn to anyone who promises to fix things. doesnt have to be actual solutions, just like the capitalist lies the entire iron courtain got sold in the 90s.
i understand what you are saying - russia must succeed here if leftist movement should have a hope, and america must be weakened. but to brush off this war as something to be celebrated is kinda sick. its fucking tragic.
you say that you support the end of the western hegemon. i dont think you will find anyone here who will disagree. but the methods are many, and the idea that this goal should be obtained by… pitting workers against workers, is rather alien to me.
you call me an anarchist. on what basis?
i will not comment on the nazi callouts you keep throwing around. but it does seem you are the kind of person that keeps the leftist movement weak by sticking your head high up the clouds rather than looking down and trying to lend a hand to a working man.
this war should not be happening. and i will die on that hill.
I mostly agree with what you are saying but the socialist states didnt fall because “they lost popular support” or “there was no food on the table”. It was the revisionism of the post1956 CPSU (especially Khrushchev) together with western propaganda and liberal infiltration of the party (Gorbachev, Yakovlev and others) that killed socialism in Europe. Even those who supported perestroika didnt want the end of socialism, only a better version of it.
i agree that weak leadership that lost faith/betrayed the ideas of socialism was also a big factor. its just that the 80s economical turmoil pushed things into freefall. in poland for example there are often talks about how “communism would never fall if there were wares on shelves”, of course these arguments are often combined with ridicule from the libs about “communist mentality” but i tend to disregard that part as just another form of their poor-shaming.
i would like to learn more about various forms of “revisionism” and its effects on then-existing socialist states. can you recommend a page?
Very well written. 🙂
so support russia, no matter the cost? even at the detriment of the very class and people we are supposed to stand for? because you wont have an easy time explaining this to people affected by this conflict.
Fucking Marvel Brain on display. You don’t sympathise with Nazis so you must support Russia. Goodies and Baddies, you’re with us or against us. I’m not the guy you originally started shit with.
because you wont have an easy time explaining this to people affected by this conflict.
And will you have an easy time explaining your sympathy for an ethnic cleansing fascist army to the people who’ve been mass murdered for years now? See we can both play this moronic game. The difference is that I don’t have to try to put words in your mouth.
it really doesnt matter how well you wrap an idea, as soon as people struggle to put food on the table or you make too many mothers and fathers cry, you are done and people will turn to anyone who promises to fix things.
Your entire analysis is “food on the table” idealistic drivel and smugly playing to the crowd for updoots.
i understand what you are saying - russia must succeed here if leftist movement should have a hope, and america must be weakened. but to brush off this war as something to be celebrated is kinda sick. its fucking tragic.
I didn’t say anything like that. And I didn’t say this war should be celebrated either you liar.
you say that you support the end of the western hegemon. i dont think you will find anyone here who will disagree. but the methods are many, and the idea that this goal should be obtained by… pitting workers against workers, is rather alien to me.
The workers are being pitted against workers by the capitalists, not me or any other socialist here. I’m sure plenty of German Nazis in WW2 had to put food on the table too, that doesn’t mean you get to “both sides” it.
you call me an anarchist. on what basis?
You trade solely in idealism and have zero analysis in material reality, the shoe fits. “War bad” and “soldiers are workers” is not any argument to sympathise and support the army of a fascist neo-Nazi puppet state of global hegemony.
i will not comment on the nazi callouts you keep throwing around. but it does seem you are the kind of person that keeps the leftist movement weak by sticking your head high up the clouds rather than looking down and trying to lend a hand to a working man.
There are quite literally Nazis involved in this war and your enlightened centrism calls for ignoring that. This is unacceptable for any socialist.
this war should not be happening. and i will die on that hill.
Who here said this war should be happening? Imbecile.
You were banned because of this and other comments in this post for being disrespectful to others and acting like an agent provocateur. Your language has consequences, be always ready to face them.
«ThEy CaN jUsT oVeRtHrOw tHe GuBerMenT» /s
Agree. As the state of emergency calls up evey male from 18-60 as reservists, we dont know who these are. What we do know, is Ukraine will punish you with torture, beatings and public shaming if you try to hide or desert from the military.
because you see, women and children are worth more than some stupid grunt male who should stay and fight for “his” country. all this talk about equality and social progress but when it comes down to it we revert to the classics. but no totally no hypocrisy seen in the west, none at all
at least they didn’t have to suffer much pain, i guess they were annihilated faster than nerves transport signals. i pity the families, but the blame here lies with PNAC/KAGAN/PYATT/NULAND here…
So like unless these guys are confirmed nazis I’m not sure we should be celebrating this.
Yes, they were Ukrainian soldiers, at least as confirmed by Russian news sources. Feel free to celebrate now. 🥳
Those are still 8 people whose parents will never see again.
There’s no need to humanize Nazis. They are humans in the sense that they share a genetic-biological resemblance to us, but in no way they are deserving of any empathy. They had their humanity stolen from them, and they’ve become imperialist weapons that need to be destroyed. Their families, therefore, were not hurt by this tank, instead, they were hurt by the efforts of nazification of Ukrainian society promoted by imperialist NATO countries.
It’s a tragedy, indeed, but fuck Nazis.
Right but it’s not like every Ukrainian soldier is a nazi. Like if they were alive then fuck them 100% but unless we know beyond a shadow of a doubt that these people are nazis then I just don’t feel comfortable celebrating their death. but to each their own.
This is your anarchist and liberal roots speaking for you. The Ukrainian military has been massacring the Russian ethnic population of Donbass for 8 years already. If you read the article I linked, you’d see that these soldiers attacked other regions before getting blasted in the face.
Stop humanizing Nazis, because the Ukrainian military has consistently accepted fascist paramilitary organizations inside their regiment, such as the Azov Battalion and Pravy Sektor. Their leaders, their line of command is composed bottom-up by Nazis. So even if the individual soldiers reject the Nazi ideology (most of them do not), they are led and commanded by those who subscribe to Nazism.
So again, yes, it’s tragic that human lives are lost, but if those who are being killed preach an ideology of death and genocide, then their deaths should be definitely celebrated, and not a single tear should be shed for them.
ah, I see that is a good point I didn’t think about the leadership, and to say that they were “just following order” is nazi apologia. Also given the fact that they were in the Donbas region, there is a good chance that they were stationed there before the conflict began, as most of Ukraine’s soldiers were directed to defend the capital, and were involved in the genocide in Donbas. I think this video is the aftermath which if it is, confirms the assertion that these were Ukrainian soldiers beyond Russia saying that they are.
Westoids crying for nuclear war online:
Westoids the moment nuclear war breaks out:
First Westoids complain about seeing the Z, now they complain about not seeing the Z. Make up your mind!
Ukraine needs to surrender, their army is awfull, untrained, unequiped, and filled with nazisfascists, they have no chance.
The latest is that it is a Ukrainian tank, but it mistood the soldiers for Russians because they were stood next to an abandoned Russian APC with a big Z on it.
There’s an aftermath video now, be warned its very brutal. https://www.reddit.com/r/NewsWithJingjing/comments/u19cvl/ukrainian_tank_striked_its_allies_when_it/
Brutal is an understatement. But if you want to get a small peek at the consequences of combat, well, brace yourself.
Tbh, the people who need to see it are those who from the safety of western nations are cheering every move NATO makes to ensure this war continues indefinitely.
if thats the case, why would the video be published in the first place? arent ukrainians rather strict when it comes to recording and publishing their own casualities?
i dont quite buy that theory.
They’re not a monolithic, some people want to share stuff
Despite all the propaganda Ukrainian soldiers aren’t up to the task of fighting this war or any other. They’ve been performing terribly for 8 years now.
I feel sorry for them.
They should just surrender in that case. Russian army don’t kill the PoW’s, unlike Ukraine.
Ukrainian soldiers are mainly scared of nazi soldiers in their own ranks who threaten to kill anyone who surrenders.
and this “kadavergehorsam” is also another measure of this “volkssturm” and as such a sign of a fascist force that just feeds people to the fire instead of protecting them from it.
They have guns too and trained how to use them. They should judge who is threatening them the most.
im a bit dark but this seems like a cool meme template
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Democratic socialists are the meme
MFs got sent to the shadow realm. Sorry bad joke
One moment they be like: 🚶♂️🚶♂️🚶♂️🚶♂️🚶♂️🚶♂️ And the next moment: 💥
Punishment time
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