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    For all Americans here, don’t forget the results don’t matter much, the fight continues and bourgeois democracy will never truly represent you anyway.

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      While you are talking about the destruction of America, is the True God of Christianity, Yahweh, already selling America to social liberals and flooding American with immigrants of mixed-European origin and non-European origin as punishment for their fake school death camp genocides against Indigenous people and their refusal to confess that the Nazi Holocaust is a cheap imitation of the ongoing war crimes by the Western European empires and British diaspora?

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      No, they’re going to double down on pro Israel talking points and blame the Tankies and our *checks notes* belief that humans shouldn’t be genocided, for not voting for genocide enough.

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          It really depends. If the actual left can keep the pressure on and keep Palestinian genocide loud enough that the media HAS to cover it, they’ll handwringingly side with Trump, otherwise they’ll try to ignore it as much as possible and use the same tactics they use when covering police murdering minorities when they absolutely MUST cover it.

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        It’ll be a tough decision. Do they immediatly start opposing it and have to awkwardly state at their shoes when people ask why they dont have a problem doing it while Biden is still president or do they wait until January and have the same awkward reaction when people ask why this wasn’t a problem 25 hours ago but it is now.

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          They’re going to immediately pretend that they have always felt this way. Don’t you know that we’ve always been at war with Eurasia?

          Edit: I lost the plot in the response, I still agree with my original comment but I’m leaving this one for posterity lol. My original point is that the liberals will keep spouting pro Israeli propaganda and blame pro Palestinian activists for the loss, completely ignoring that the Dems continue to move right over and over leaving the progressive portion of their base behind in pursuit of stealing Republican votes.

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            Yep, Trump will say that he supports Israel, and liberals will act like they’ve supported palestine this whole time, relying on some vague meaningless statements by Harris.

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              I’m guessing the pivot will be something like “I support Israel, but not now; not like this”. Probably a little more polished because party hacks need to justify their paychecks.

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                Ah, the Bernie strat. “I support Israel’s right to defend itself but it’s killed too many children so I need to handwring about it”

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          They will go with "We opposed Biden doing it, but with Biden we had the chance to push him left! We should have just given Harris everything she wanted, and then push her left! It’s worked so well in the past!

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            So goddamn maddening how these people don’t pay attention to anything except for vibes. Liberals are gonna continue to get us all killed.

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      If Trump wins the libs will just say everyone that dies under Trump deserved it for not staning Harris hard enough.

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    Ugh I wish there was a way both of them could win 🥺💕 I just like them both so much! Best of luck to the both of you 🥰

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      Whatever the outcome, we can be proud that everyone gave 110% and did their best! Hopefully there won’t be any hard feelings, and they can shake hands with the winner after.

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    You godless commies should have Pokémon Gone to the polls, now everyone will DIE and it is your fault.

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    If the election of a single person can spell the end of your “democracy,” how democratic really was it in the first place?

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      Considering one of the major candidates didn’t even go through anything resembling a primary process, I am going with “not very”.

      Am I right, do I win?

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      Similar train of thought, the other day I was posing a question to someone who can be pretty lib, like, if the republicans are such a terrible fascist threat, why aren’t the powers in charge doing more to suppress them? Instead of just letting them do what they want electorally and being like “we’ll vote them out.” I think I actually got through to them a bit on that specific point. Like existential threat to “democracy”, supposedly, but we’re gonna let em do a popularity contest and get power that “takes away democracy”, what sense does that make.

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      You mean to say that –

      • switching candidates halfway through the election

      • having your replacement candidate be one of the few people somehow less popular than Biden

      • having said candidate go around openly endorsing genocide

      • telling leftists to ignore this, because genocide isn’t really a big deal

      – isn’t some kind of winning strategy to Unite the Left?

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        Honestly, imo they lost the election before Gaza even entered the mainstream conversation. The Dems the past 4 years have exhibited nothing but betrayal after betrayal of their constituency. From record deportations of immigrants, to crushing labor strikes, to escalating the trade war with China, to deceiving the public about COVID relief, to bungled natural disaster responses, to lying about Biden’s obvious cognitive decline, etc.

        Gaza was just the nail in the coffin.

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          can’t forget just completely dropping the ball on the most popular campaign promises (enshrining reproductive rights, student debt relief)

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    Looking forward to getting over all this crap so people can finally start campaigning for the midterms immediately

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    Well… dems on Twitter are salivating over a completely flattened Gaza as revenge for their loss. Very cool…

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      Yup. Saw a few of them already saying they look forward to buying property in ethnically cleansed Gaza/West Bank.

      Also this:

      They really cannot keep their masks on can they?

      To them anti-fascism is just a vibe, and social justice causes just an aesthetic, a way to signal team loyalty. When push comes to shove and they get scratched, all of their feigned sympathy with the oppressed goes out the window and they become foaming at the mouth Nazis indistinguishable from MAGA.

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        anti-fascism IS just a vibe to them but fascism itself is too, I would argue lol. According to them fascism is when you say mean things about minorities on twitter and complain about woke, definitely has nothing to do with imperial shrinkage and what happens when empires run out of gas. This cycle has taught me just how little the american voter gives a fuck about geopolitics. They themselves will often tell you with a smile how they only really care about domestic politics (AKA what they personally stand to gain from imperialism).

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      Their true-crime fetish spills over into fantasizing about endless brown people being bombed by their own country.

    • you act like this was not always going to be the response, there level of care was not that high anyway, they where willing to suport a canidate who told people who suported Gaza that now was not the time

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      Lots of pro-genocide, anti-immigrant and pro-natural disaster tweets suddenly coming out the woodwork from the supposed compassionate dems.

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        Same on TikTok. Leftist creators’ comments are being swarmed by Dems saying some incredibly morally repugnant shit. They will blame everyone but themselves.

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    Determining which candidates to vote for in my state/county/city’s local elections by going to each candidates twitter and searching “Israel”

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      Cannot find anything regarding this for the Dem senator and governor running in my deep red state so I’m gonna have to vote for them regardless just based on abortion :( not that they’ll win anyways.

      Writing in PSL for President at least o7

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    This election has proven that the fearmongering for the Greens by the Democrats was unfounded. The Greens won 0,7% of the vote in Michigan and the Dems there lost by more than a percent

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      Technically, it could also mean that people who didn’t want to vote for a major party abstained from the election altogether (e.g. why wait for an hour and a half if you think not voting at all would accomplish the same thing?)

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        if you think not voting at all would accomplish the same thing

        It doesn’t achieve the same thing though. There are all sorts of narratives that can be made up about why people decided not to vote that the establishment can use to excuse its own horrific behavior. A vote for a third party is a much clearer message, and it helps said third parties build momentum, even if just on a local level.

        On the other hand, i won’t judge people who decided that not voting was the best way for them to protest, i live in Europe and voting is probably easier here, barely takes a couple minutes and we usually have polling stations within walking distance. Which is why personally i still go out and vote, not for a third party because here even the third, fourth and fifth parties are neoliberal warmonger Washington puppets, but for a party that i know will barely get a few thousand votes in my entire state, but at least is anti-imperialist, anti-capitalist and anti-genocide.

        It’s depressing but it is what it is and you have to start somewhere even if small. The most important work we do as communists happens between elections anyway. Elections in a bourgeois dictatorship are the sideshow of the sideshow. Organizing, agitating and educating is what we should be putting the majority of our effort into.

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          Case in point:

          Now i’m not sure if this graphic is accurate, and i’ve seen other reports that put Stein around 20% in this district, but either way it’s a powerful message of what happens when your candidate unapologetically supports and enables a genocide. I wish we could have seen these kinds of results for third parties all across the US, but at least this is a start.

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            It’s hard to read that as anything other than, ‘if you had met us halfway, you’d have won by a large margin’.