Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick named the bill one of his legislative priorities after Mark Cuban, the owner of the Dallas Mavericks, stopped playing the anthem before home games.
I did not conclude American nationalism is a religion because a researcher said so, I provided the video for anyone who’s willing to watch, examine his arguements (that are explained in 4 videos I think), and reach a conclusion. in fact I didn’t even say American nationalism is a religion, I said it doesn’t surprise me that a researcher believes it is. I’m not really appealing to anyone or anything if I don’t make an assertion.
the second problem is
The fallacy occurs when someone claims a certain conclusion is true because someone else, who is not an authority on the subject, says it is true.
he’s a doctor in religion studies as far as I am aware, so he’s indeed an authority on the subject. not to mention that he has reached this conclusion by studying material written by people who know about this subject. what you’re saying is like telling someone they can’t quote scientists talking about their field of study.
I said it doesn’t surprise me that a researcher believes it is. I’m not really appealing to anyone or anything if I don’t make an assertion.
You endorsed the conclusion, whether you’re willing to admit it or not, and the fact that you would even advance this argument is proof that you’re not interested in good-faith dialog (as is this completely unhinged rant in this thread).
sorry if anything I said was offending to you, but reading it back, I do not see where I was being aggressive, so I don’t really understand what made you assume I’m not endorsing his view on the topic, I’m arguing in bad faith, or that the examples I gave in my comment make a “completely unhinged rant”.
just to clear, I did endorse his concluision, because I partly agree with it. I think American nationalism has very detrimental charachteristics that resemble an unhealthy religion and I think it can (and has in the past) cause great harm, to Americans themselves and to the rest of the world. do I personally believe that it is indeed a religion? no.
the fact that you would even advance this argument is proof that you’re not interested in good-faith dialog
I don’t understand how you reached such a conclusion, but I shared an educational video, and you implied I was using fallacies, to which I responded explaining how I wasn’t doing that. how does it mean I’m arguing in bad faith?
(as is this completely unhinged rant in this thread).
well, you’re kinda right, I guilty as hell when comes to ranting xD
but I think I provided some good examples of why I think his conclusions are not far from truth. you can watch the videos for yourself and make your own informed opinion.
I’m not going to play sophistry with you. Bye.
that’s a bit ironic, because you’re accusing me of logical fallacies and sophistry, but you’re the one who made the discussion about me by going off-topic.
ps: would be interesting if you happen to be an American who was too offended by my statement about american nationalism, and it made you practice some American nationalism. it would be all paitriot-ception.
I haven’t looked up the researcher, but there are researchers of chiropractic ‘science’ as well.
you didn’t agree with him and thought yeah, he must be some nutjob?
there are many things about American nationalism that really resemble a religion, imagine it like this, every morning at school you pray to a flag and your classmates accompany you in the ritual, that flag is so important that an athlete makes national news for having a pose that’s considered against the flag code. then suddenly your state dicides those teams that don’t play the national anthem aren’t faithful enough, so let’s stop the funding. and you’ve got “in God we trust” on your dollors, and your supreme court says it’s not religious, and votes for it to remain this way. and your politicians always pray at the end of their speeches, and everyone believes in a redemption called the American Dream^TM , and guns are the holy objects that are held more valuable than human lives, and then you’ve got this superiority complex that makes you think your the most righteous. should I go on and talk about evangelicals too?
at what point does it stop being just nationalism and becomes a religion? considering that most definitions of religion don’t even exclude fandoms or consumerism, it’s not controversial to say that.
now does Norway really compare to this? when was the last time you invaded a country because God had told your president to do so? what you describe is more like trying to remain a nation with the same collective identity.
isn’t it a bit to far to consider calling others crazy a form of ableism? I understand that the intention behind its use is to offend, but I don’t think it’s reason enough to receive an admin warning.
I really don’t like it, as its a personal attack that’s easy to rely on for lazy trolls who don’t want to describe why they disagree with something. I know its not a DSM classification or anything but its still used to demean people with mental disabilities.
Yeah he thinks people who don’t agree with his political views aren’t “normal human beings”. The implication presumably being thst they hsve some kind of mental disorder. The abelism is clear if you have that context.
Calling others tankie scum or authoritarian defenders for a month or two is not exactly normal civil behaviour. None of the people that criticised you ever needed to use slurs against you to make their point.
Your “free speech” reddit alternatives where you can say any bigoted slur you want, and be as rude to strangers as you want already exist. Why don’t you go there instead?
yea honestly it’s really weird. no wonder there’s a doctor of religious studies who thinks American nationalism is a religion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x49n90lWi0s
Having specific mandatory rituals is a symptom of a cult, so yeah.
https://ses.edu/logical-fallacies-101-appeal-to-authority-ad-verecundiam/
there are two problems:
I did not conclude American nationalism is a religion because a researcher said so, I provided the video for anyone who’s willing to watch, examine his arguements (that are explained in 4 videos I think), and reach a conclusion. in fact I didn’t even say American nationalism is a religion, I said it doesn’t surprise me that a researcher believes it is. I’m not really appealing to anyone or anything if I don’t make an assertion.
the second problem is
he’s a doctor in religion studies as far as I am aware, so he’s indeed an authority on the subject. not to mention that he has reached this conclusion by studying material written by people who know about this subject. what you’re saying is like telling someone they can’t quote scientists talking about their field of study.
You endorsed the conclusion, whether you’re willing to admit it or not, and the fact that you would even advance this argument is proof that you’re not interested in good-faith dialog (as is this completely unhinged rant in this thread).
I’m not going to play sophistry with you. Bye.
sorry if anything I said was offending to you, but reading it back, I do not see where I was being aggressive, so I don’t really understand what made you assume I’m not endorsing his view on the topic, I’m arguing in bad faith, or that the examples I gave in my comment make a “completely unhinged rant”.
just to clear, I did endorse his concluision, because I partly agree with it. I think American nationalism has very detrimental charachteristics that resemble an unhealthy religion and I think it can (and has in the past) cause great harm, to Americans themselves and to the rest of the world. do I personally believe that it is indeed a religion? no.
I don’t understand how you reached such a conclusion, but I shared an educational video, and you implied I was using fallacies, to which I responded explaining how I wasn’t doing that. how does it mean I’m arguing in bad faith?
well, you’re kinda right, I guilty as hell when comes to ranting xD
but I think I provided some good examples of why I think his conclusions are not far from truth. you can watch the videos for yourself and make your own informed opinion.
that’s a bit ironic, because you’re accusing me of logical fallacies and sophistry, but you’re the one who made the discussion about me by going off-topic.
ps: would be interesting if you happen to be an American who was too offended by my statement about american nationalism, and it made you practice some American nationalism. it would be all paitriot-ception.
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I don’t know how the ideas of an actual researcher means lemmy is crazy, care to elaborate?
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you didn’t agree with him and thought yeah, he must be some nutjob?
there are many things about American nationalism that really resemble a religion, imagine it like this, every morning at school you pray to a flag and your classmates accompany you in the ritual, that flag is so important that an athlete makes national news for having a pose that’s considered against the flag code. then suddenly your state dicides those teams that don’t play the national anthem aren’t faithful enough, so let’s stop the funding. and you’ve got “in God we trust” on your dollors, and your supreme court says it’s not religious, and votes for it to remain this way. and your politicians always pray at the end of their speeches, and everyone believes in a redemption called the American Dream^TM , and guns are the holy objects that are held more valuable than human lives, and then you’ve got this superiority complex that makes you think your the most righteous. should I go on and talk about evangelicals too?
at what point does it stop being just nationalism and becomes a religion? considering that most definitions of religion don’t even exclude fandoms or consumerism, it’s not controversial to say that.
now does Norway really compare to this? when was the last time you invaded a country because God had told your president to do so? what you describe is more like trying to remain a nation with the same collective identity.
And more ableism. That’s 2 warnings I’ve needed to give you within a few hours.
isn’t it a bit to far to consider calling others crazy a form of ableism? I understand that the intention behind its use is to offend, but I don’t think it’s reason enough to receive an admin warning.
I really don’t like it, as its a personal attack that’s easy to rely on for lazy trolls who don’t want to describe why they disagree with something. I know its not a DSM classification or anything but its still used to demean people with mental disabilities.
@soferman@lemmy.ml does that all the time, he doesnt need to the specific word “crazy” to do it.
Yeah he thinks people who don’t agree with his political views aren’t “normal human beings”. The implication presumably being thst they hsve some kind of mental disorder. The abelism is clear if you have that context.
Example: https://lemmy.ml/post/67740/comment/57195
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Calling others tankie scum or authoritarian defenders for a month or two is not exactly normal civil behaviour. None of the people that criticised you ever needed to use slurs against you to make their point.
This is absolutely fucking idiotic. Or is “idiotic” an ableist slur because it degrades stupid people?
This kind of blatantly ideologically-motivated behavior is why your platform will die.
Your “free speech” reddit alternatives where you can say any bigoted slur you want, and be as rude to strangers as you want already exist. Why don’t you go there instead?
Straw men, straw men everywhere. Thanks for making the decision to leave your crazy echo chamber easier.
You have not justified why the words you use are needed to convey your point. Is your argument that bad?
Edit: oh look my boy downvoted me instantly, not even trying to resolve or explain
proof