• soronixa
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      43 years ago

      there are two problems:

      I did not conclude American nationalism is a religion because a researcher said so, I provided the video for anyone who’s willing to watch, examine his arguements (that are explained in 4 videos I think), and reach a conclusion. in fact I didn’t even say American nationalism is a religion, I said it doesn’t surprise me that a researcher believes it is. I’m not really appealing to anyone or anything if I don’t make an assertion.

      the second problem is

      The fallacy occurs when someone claims a certain conclusion is true because someone else, who is not an authority on the subject, says it is true.

      he’s a doctor in religion studies as far as I am aware, so he’s indeed an authority on the subject. not to mention that he has reached this conclusion by studying material written by people who know about this subject. what you’re saying is like telling someone they can’t quote scientists talking about their field of study.

      • @Flelk
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        -63 years ago

        I said it doesn’t surprise me that a researcher believes it is. I’m not really appealing to anyone or anything if I don’t make an assertion.

        You endorsed the conclusion, whether you’re willing to admit it or not, and the fact that you would even advance this argument is proof that you’re not interested in good-faith dialog (as is this completely unhinged rant in this thread).

        I’m not going to play sophistry with you. Bye.

        • soronixa
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          23 years ago

          sorry if anything I said was offending to you, but reading it back, I do not see where I was being aggressive, so I don’t really understand what made you assume I’m not endorsing his view on the topic, I’m arguing in bad faith, or that the examples I gave in my comment make a “completely unhinged rant”.

          just to clear, I did endorse his concluision, because I partly agree with it. I think American nationalism has very detrimental charachteristics that resemble an unhealthy religion and I think it can (and has in the past) cause great harm, to Americans themselves and to the rest of the world. do I personally believe that it is indeed a religion? no.

          the fact that you would even advance this argument is proof that you’re not interested in good-faith dialog

          I don’t understand how you reached such a conclusion, but I shared an educational video, and you implied I was using fallacies, to which I responded explaining how I wasn’t doing that. how does it mean I’m arguing in bad faith?

          (as is this completely unhinged rant in this thread).

          well, you’re kinda right, I guilty as hell when comes to ranting xD

          but I think I provided some good examples of why I think his conclusions are not far from truth. you can watch the videos for yourself and make your own informed opinion.

          I’m not going to play sophistry with you. Bye.

          that’s a bit ironic, because you’re accusing me of logical fallacies and sophistry, but you’re the one who made the discussion about me by going off-topic.

          ps: would be interesting if you happen to be an American who was too offended by my statement about american nationalism, and it made you practice some American nationalism. it would be all paitriot-ception.