Didn’t know where to post this, so hopefully this is the right spot. Please boycott Brave. I’ve recently learned that not only is their CEO bad, but their fanbase is toxic, too. I will no longer be using Brave for that reason.

  • manemjeff
    111·
    4 years ago

    Elaborate please? I’m here just for the open source project

    • jonuno
      282·
      4 years ago

      The more you dig the weirder it gets.

      They are selling an idea of a better browsing which honestly I bought into it (monetising attention is still a great thing to me) but in practicality it is just benefiting Brave.

      The user experience I had was horrible, from not getting it to work, to seek for help in their community and being met with disdain… “Oh I never thought I’d see the day that people would complain of not getting adverts”… well that’s the narrative you are selling isn’t it? I agree to watch ads in turn to redistribute that attention to my fav creators.

      They are pulling users in through all these different nice ethical values: privacy focused browsers, a fairer economy to creators, being paid for you attention… utopic in all the ways. In practice, they are pulling the biggest number of users and investors through crypto greed.

      But above all this was what personally got me out of it - just reflecting on the whole thing:

      When you start using brave, you will block ads (which definetly get you a better browsing experience) but you are cutting the revenue from the creators, like all adblocking does. What brave is purposing is that you have the option to watch ads but not those you are blocking! They select ones that are ‘relevant to you’ - which are their partners… win win for them. And in turn you get BAT… so you take away the potential money from the creators to your wallet. Hum…

      But still, even if you are in for the greed, the story it’s not really like that- yes it is slowly filling your uphold wallet (if you get it to work, because that’s another problem… if you don’t, guess where the money is sitting - with brave!) and then you can spread through your creators (again - if you can get it to work, and only for the ones that are affiliated w brave or else you can’t). So it’s all Brave’s territory isn’t it?

      And in mobile you can’t connect your uphold wallet until you reach 25bat of credit - which will take you a year of normal use even getting ~20ads a day. (They get a 20% cut). So all this promise of content creators being paid in a fairer way, turns out that you are spending your attention watching adverts that are only benefiting brave.

      In practice you will diverting ad revenue from creators to brave while you think you are making money, or worst, making the internet a better place. Nah. Fuck Brave.

      TL;DR: in practice Brave cuts creators stream of revenue (ads) and replaces them with Brave’s partner ads that after watched by you Brave takes a share and then are converted into Brave’s cryptocoin and held on Brave’s side until you follow Brave’s rules.

      PS: you can also find dirt on Firefox. Our consumerism is a form of vote. Choose wisely, do your homework.

      • manemjeff
        3·
        4 years ago

        At this point, I don’t care as long as it’s open sourced and it’s good to me to use. Hell, lemmy is made by communist which I am very opposed of (I really like capitalism with socialism safety net more). Political views and shit like that doesn’t budge me anymore from using the product. Maybe I would value more in the way they treat their product, like microsoft’s way of handling their open source project as a way to EEE.

      • Nevar
        217·
        4 years ago

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          • AgreeableLandscape
            8·
            4 years ago

            JS is by far the worst language I have ever used besides PHP

            I’d argue that while PHP may be worse on a technical level, JS is a worse overall ecosystem because if you develop for the web, you’re forced to use it.

          • Nevar
            113·
            4 years ago

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        • AgreeableLandscape
          11·
          4 years ago

          You realise the guy created JavaScript eh?

          You’ll find that it’s one of the most hated programming languages around here. People say (with good reason) that its implementation is terrible compared to other programming languages, and its over-adoption (being used when it’s unnecessary) is commonly accused of being a major factor of the badly performing and resource hungry websites of the modern internet. It also enables the vast majority of invasive tracking tactics.

          As another user also mentioned, it’s a logical fallacy to directly compare a product that has clear alternatives, like brave, and a product that everyone is practically forced to use, like JavaScript, when talking about disliking the creator of those things.

          Finally, as far as I know, Brendan Eich is no longer involved with the development of the JavaScript language standards, but he’s currently the CEO of Brave.

          • Nevar
            21·
            4 years ago

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        • Kohen Shaw
          111·
          4 years ago

          Using JavaScript doesn’t put money in his pocket, using Brave does.

          • Nevar
            17·
            4 years ago

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            • SeerLite
              61·
              4 years ago

              permanent

              You proved the point yourself. Not using javascript isn’t gonna change a thing.

              Also no one really thinks about that guy when they hear javascript lmao

              • Nevar
                16·
                4 years ago

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                • SeerLite
                  3·
                  4 years ago

                  You haven’t refuted anything since my point was in the first sentence I wrote, not the second one.

    • nerdyguy1990OP
      34·
      4 years ago

      I made a post on r/browsers over on reddit and someone said to go back to firefox, they are wokies like me. Plus a couple other comments as well.