I have always wanted to ask such questions, as such projects come from a different kind of crowd, internet anarchists with a free world utopia in mind. Since these projects are also used by Chinese netizens, what do people think about this?
While Tor Project was DARPA made, many people benefit from it. Same goes for internet preservation projects, since internet is largely a creation of West.
I seek the perspective of native mainlanders and Chinese born here importantly, because I have not seen this being discussed anywhere.
Edit: I hate how armchair westerners have an issue with letting this topic be discussed calmly.
You’re not going to find the perspective of mainlanders here and sites that are allowed in the great firewall such a sensitive question would be quickly deleted. To answer your question tho tor,archive.org and the eye are blocked by the great firewall of china since they’d allow citizens to get uncensored information about China and the world.
China allows netizens to use VPNs to access foreign websites. The idea that China wants to hide criticism in an absolutist way is moot.
“allows”
Vpns are not legal they’re just tolerated and if you really think that they support criticism you should go there and try it yourself
VPNs are legal in China, just that they are government approved. You should talk after knowing on ground reality, not hearsay from American internet echo chambers.
It really doesn’t change my point that they don’t want you to freely access information why else do you think they would only allow use of official approved ones
Because you do not understand what it is like to be a country/individual being attacked by a drove of Western countries/majority of the internet chatroom.
people attack the US on chatrooms too who cares about what anons are saying on the internet what matters that they’re doing the best for their people and they’re working for the benefit of their people there is never a good reason for censorship
I think you are misunderstanding the purpose of their firewall. Plus using VPNs for accessing blocked sites is very common in China and carries no punishment.
I’m not misunderstanding anything and just because a law isn’t strictly enforced doesn’t make something legal yes they don’t really care if you use it to visit twitter/youtube/facebook etc but vpn websites are blocked in the country and they don’t allow app stores to have them so it’s not really not that far of a stretch to say they’re illegal
If you think using a VPN is illegal, here’s a challenge for you.
Point to the law.
That simple. The laws are all available online. Point to it.
If you think using a vpn is legal here’s a challenge for you please download an unauthorised vpn and report it to a police officer
I use an unauthorized VPN and have done so in the presence of officials. They honestly don’t give a shit. (One of them asked me for the name of it so he could use it.)
So, ball’s back in your court Sparks. Point to the law. You claim there is a law. Substantiate it.
http://www.asianlii.org/cn/legis/cen/laws/irotmoinoci880/
I’m not seeing anything about the use of VPNs there.
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Fun fact, both Lemmy.ml and Lemmygrad are accessible in all parts of China.
http://www.chinafirewalltest.com/?siteurl=lemmy.ml
http://www.chinafirewalltest.com/?siteurl=lemmygrad.ml
As are most or all of the other major Lemmy instances.
The project homepage too: http://www.chinafirewalltest.com/?siteurl=join-lemmy.org
Still doesn’t change my point that mainlanders are not likely to use lemmy and that they would get in trouble for asking this on weibo and the like
Dunning Kruger, fellowman. You should know reality instead of whatever Reddit told you this week. I know the Reddit talking points come from a place of ignorance, which is why I asked actually informed people here. If you do not know, just stop derailing this thread I made.
it’s not dunning kruger to point out the truth just because it’s not what you wanted to hear doesn’t it make it reddit talking points if you really want to delude yourself to thinking the ccp would support tools like tor and archive.org then go ahead you’re welcome to go to mainland China and report back to me the result of you trying to use those tools and settle this once and for all
Or ask me. I live in China. I can tell you if a given site is blocked or not at this moment in time. (The list of blocked sites changes over time, naturally.)
If they don’t believe me why not let them experience it firsthand just from a quick search one can find blogposts from the tor dev team about it being blocked and research papers on how exactly the great firewall does this and the workarounds they’ve come up for it.
Because that doesn’t tell you anything about what’s blocked or unblocked NOW, duh!
It’s obviously blocked now and you know very well why it’s blocked