https://gitlab.com/ironfox-oss/IronFox/-/issues/7

https://gitlab.com/fdroid/fdroiddata/-/issues/3457

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Ohh, so it changed for being webkit, to be a FF based browser. At any rate Librewolf keep being like the closest, FF but with better defaults, and without the need to configure the arkenfox stuff.

It’s a webkit engine based browser, actually it uses webkitgtk. Now webkit is the engine on which safari (apple) is based as well, and it’s been there for some time. blink, which is what chromium based browsers use, is a fork from webkit with its own extras.

So it all depends, chromium based browsers are all blink engine based browsers, which are pretty related to webkit engine based browsers (midori is not the only one BTW). As well as there are a ton of blink based utilities such the electron ones (chromium in disguise), there are still quite a bit based on webkit, specially gtk applications.

gecko as opposed to the other major web engines never had some sort of toolkit that would make it easier for other applications than the mozilla ones to be based on it, and it seems there will never be such toolkit, even less with the dominance of blink based browsers and applications, and in a lesser way but still high use webkit applications and browsers.

If looking for actual alternatives to what dominates the market, I believe gecko is the option at the moment, and if the FF defaults are unsane, I’d strongly suggest using Librewolf, which is essence is FF with much better defaults, it partially uses arkenfox configs, but it’s independent and has its own decisions, and also removes very few blobs like pocket at build time.

Eventually servo might become the web engine to look for, and perhaps verso the web browser based on servo. But they are still in early stages as to be considered for day to day regular use. I’m not sure if servo is both a web engine and also offers itself as a toolkit so other applications besides a web browser can be based on it, similar to webkit or blink, but I believe that’s not the case, at least not yet, though I wouldn’t put my hands on fire for this, :).

Bottom line, you might want to take a look at Librewolf.

Unfortunately divestOS is retiring, and Mull, something like Librewolf but for AOSP based devices, has ceased development. I’m really hoping someone capable of forking it does it…

Totally unrelated, mull is pretty cool in the sense that it brings arkenfox configs for the user, and it strips some binary blobs. To me the AOSP privacy browser with no actual alternative. Some say it’s like librewolf for AOSP.

Bottom line, no, totally different things.

Yet Another Call Blocker?

The only reasons I sometime back looked into betterbird was thunderbird breaking TbSync and its companion “Provider for Exchange ActiveSync”, which I really need for work, and because of their tray support (I don’t like the modern way which rejects the benefits of the tray functionality, or notification area which is how it’s also called now a days).

For the first thing, I was able to live with thunderbird by reverting the upgrade and keep its package from upgrading at all, until the two extensions I required eventually supported the new thunderbird version which broke them. I looked into betterbird as an alternative since someone suggested it given betterbird wasn’t moving as fast at that time as thunderbird was, and at that moment they were not breaking the extensions I’m force to use if wanting to use thunderbird as email client at work.

For the tray, ohh well, it doesn’t work on wayland if you don’t use gnome or kde (I use wayfire), so it couldn’t help me at all. I found a bug reported on mozilla (not sure why not also on betterbird) which matches my case, so no luck with their tray support, :(

Other than that I really didn’t find a compelling reason to use betterbird instead of thunderbird. But if I were a gnome or kde user, perhaps its tray support might be compelling enough.

ADB running at boot never worked, though running whether on normal operation or on recovery works flawlessly.

As the phones were needed, I had to do factory reset them, which worked out. But, that doesn’t prevent me to keep trying to get ADB working at boot, which to be honest I never tried before. It seems important to get it work, so I can get and share the logs that matter. As you mentioned, linux info and logs from recovery are useless, :( But now there’s no rush, since I unfortunately did a factory reset.

I think I got another moto same model, not in use, which has broken mobility data (it doesn’t get internet while on mobile), and I think I can keep trying from it, but without upgrading with this dangerous version, since I want to detect with it if the coming upgrade is as dangerous (lesson learned for me is to try with that broken phone before attempting on the ones in use). This way I don’t take the phones that are already in use. So again, I’ll keep trying the , but now not that pressured.

It’s weird to me that I could use ADB on recovery, with no issue, even to transfer files, which to me it means there were no authorization issues then, and it never worked on boot. As mentioned, I’ll modify the pseudo-broken phone and keep trying the ADB on boot with it…

Ohh, well, I followed your instructions…

Yeap, I suspect as you mentioned, with LOS and LOS4uG there are no trusted keys. And you’re right, linux messages on recovery are really not interesting, :(

% adb devices
List of devices attached
ZY22FKS3NB      recovery

When you say authenticated, do you mean authenticated with google specific keys? I think LOS and LOS4microG both have their own keys, so if in need of google keys I doubt LOS and LOS based ROMs can authenticate.

This is the dmesg grabbed on 20241216 recovery, and this is a /proc/kmsg I attempted to grab…

got back to the same by sideloading latest, and then went back to previous working version. Previous working version, is boot looping faster though, and after a couple of trials it goes the recovery (this doesn’t happen on latest), this was like that before, so there’s a difference between latest and prior working version, on latest the loop never ends, and each iteration is somehow long compared to the prior working version.

I’ll go get some rest.

% adb logcat |& tee logcat.txt
- waiting for device -

And now the boot hangs forever it seems…

I tried first same version, then prior version, then the one before which on lineage for microg is the latest 20. So it didn’t work for immediate prior version.

I use the lineage recovery image that comes bundled with lineageos. I looked to see if twrp has support for this phone, and it doesn’t, not officially at least.

I wasn’t aware of adb logcat, but:

% adb logcat
/system/bin/sh: logcat: inaccessible or not found

I attempted already installing by hand, meaning doing an adb sideload. That’s what I meant when I said I attempted to downgrade, of course I also tried sideloading the same version that lead to the boot loop just in case. I haven’t tried doing a factory reset, but I really would like to avoid it.

I don’t use google play, I use lineageos for microg, and even so, I avoid google services, since most my apps come from f-droid. Regardless, losing the data is really a bad thing, and all apps configurations and such.

well, I tried installing through adb both recovery and lineageos image version 21.0-20241115, and also version 20.0-20240719, and I got the same boot loop after each install. I suspect the 21.0-20241216 installed something new which doesn’t get replaced or removed when downgrading. I guess a major downgrade (notice I went back to 20) doesn’t help a bit, so I guess downgrading any further wouldn’t help.

Thanks !

They don’t, I mean registering your username/basename is not a requirement, they chose the registration as the default to make it easier to be found. But you can get away with not registering your username/basename and instead exchange with your contacts you ID number, and with that besides able to choose whatever username/basename, there’s no central directory to find you, which is good depending on your use case, but the Jami guys are right to say that makes it virtually impossible for others to find you and establish a conversation unless you exchanged somehow your ID numbers, but that’s not actually finding, :)

That option is a one time choosing, when creating the account though.

It is open source, which is good, but ultimately it depends on the service provider as usual, what it logs and for how long. The good thing, is that by design there’s not much which can be collected.

But for a mechanism that is supposed p2p distributed, unified push, their proxy stuff (which also helps reduce battery usage), make the app not such p2p, but the gain in battery life might be your priority. DHT is as well a point of gathering several connections, and also to collect metadata, but to be honest, DHT is so good for this purpose, that I don’t complain.

The thing is that on the phone by default you don’t get a pure p2p experience, which is BTW really hard, as requiring both ends being present if pure p2p, and it’s really hard to actually contact the other end at any time. Although if wanted, jami can be configured as such, except by the DHT part I believe.

yes, but it’s mostly for open source apks, the beauty of apkupdater is that it allows installing/upgrading some apks from apkpure and other sources (it was true for apkmirror directing to the right place to download and install from the browser, but on apkmirror most apks now days don’t install/upgrade unless you install their own apkmirror app), avoiding google play and avoiding aurora store (which besides the issues with anonymous connections, it gets upgrades pretty late for some reason). That’s something I don’t see an alternative for. Yes, upkupdater also allowed to install/upgrade from github/gitlab/… but its major purpose to me, was to be able to install/upgrade some non open source stuff without the need to connect to google play, and using recognized and reputable mirrors like apkpure and when it was feasible apkmirror. For FLOSS I use f-droid (official repo, plus non official like “izzyondroid” and others). Unfortunately there are a few apps I’m forced to use, which are not open source…