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Ha, the “what year you were born?” question is pretty funny. I think it’s probably accurate that many younger people identify websites as “apps,” but software engineers like myself also sometimes do that. It’s just a change in the vocabulary that probably doesn’t propagate to older folks who aren’t in the industry. Although my uncle is in the industry as well, and I think he, too, would balk at the notion of calling this an “app.”


Everything is political. The notion that you can do things and have them not have political consequences and be politically informed is a total falsehood and illusion.

This app is just honest and upfront about its politics, in contrast to something like Reddit which is “apolitical” which just means the admins explicitly support the status quo.


In the deep past. Unless time travel has happened, all you’re doing is muttering about ancient history.

Ok, same argument could be made for someone exploited 10 minutes ago. Stop being obtuse.

Your example offers no insight, when we’re talking about something that is a current problem or at least an alleged current problem.

Exploitation is still a current problem, the forces of violence used to exploit workers is more abstract, but it’s still present, albeit in less severe form than during the era of slavery.

Which is my point. Supposing that “exploitation” is even a valid concept, then it must be the lesser of the two when compared with violence. So use the stronger argument and say “that was violence”. Not “that was exploitation”.

However, without a good explanation of what exploitation is separate and distinct from violence, it’s not even clear there is such a thing as exploitation.

A lot of words which show you don’t know what you’re talking about. They were both violence AND they were both exploitation. Use your brain.

More so than you, apparently. Like, can you give me a book title, or an author? Without that, your jab’s just a schoolyard taunt.

Marx’s Capital would be a good start. There’s no better analysis of capitalism than that one.

I am educated. I am intelligent, and I’m pointing out that there isn’t some common sense or widely accepted definition of what exploitation is. Everyone talks about it (because it has emotional punch), but without anyone even hinting at what it is.

Exploit: to make use of meanly or unfairly for one’s own advantage

That’s the definition sane people are using with the word exploit. Exploitation is, then, the unfair use of an advantage. In the context of slavery, it was the slavers unfairly using their advantage of being a slaver and having authority to use as much violence as they wanted against the enslaved.

In capitalism, it wasn’t that long ago when the capital owners regularly brutalized their workers. This is even still the case in parts of the world other than the imperial core that I’m sure your pampered ass lives in. Either way, even without the explicit violence of the owning class members, the police are categorically a violent arm of their dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, which is the “democracy” in which you live. Assuming you don’t live in one of the very few dictatorships of the proletariat.

If it is exploitation any time two people of unequal wealth (or power, or whatever) trade, then this disallows all trade effectively, keeping the poor in poverty.

No one said anything about trade, trade isn’t capitalism. Read a book. Capitalism is a system where the capitalists control the capital and the workers must sell their labor in order to obtain the means of subsistence from the owners of capital.

Huh? What is value, other than some arbitrary number assigned to a good or a service, which explains how much demand there is for it? That is, by its nature, subjective. Changing.

Yeah, hence not educated. You clearly went to school, because you are capable of stringing semi-coherent sentences together, but you are uneducated on this topic. Read about political economy by non-bourgeois authors for a change.

poor quality left shoes that the Soviet Shoe Factory produced.

You’re clearly insanely biased and you have no concept of material conditions or reality.

I’m done with this conversation. I encourage you to approach again this topic with the humility that you should have. You should not be asserting anything, you should only be asking questions and trying to learn. You are not informed or educated on this topic. The only information you have is insanely biased from bourgeois thinkers who want to keep the working class enslaved.


is in the modern era completely hypothetical.

No, just no. It’s not hypothetical. It’s historical fact that these things happened. You don’t get to hand wave it away because you don’t like it.

Calling that exploitation is rather asinine. Call it violence.

What? It’s both. Slavery was an exploitative system with a higher level of violence than capitalism, but ultimately both rely on immense amounts of violence. After your boss doesn’t pay you your wage, try to get the money for it. Especially if you’re not in the imperial core (US, Europe, etc.) When you can’t, try stealing from his shop to make up the difference and see how the violence of the state immediately comes down hard on you and observe that the violence of the state never came to back you up when your employer stole wages from you.

I believe that at this point your definition for exploitation is circular, and pretty meaningless. It’s exploitation now because it’s always been exploitation before.

Read a book. You’re not educated on this subject, and you sound unintelligible. It is exploitative because the only generation of value comes from the working class. If you were to automate all jobs away such that no worker surplus value could be withdrawn from the system, you end up with a very clear and obvious formula.

The limit as x approaches infinity for the equation of surplus value, referring to the value available in the form of profit to the capitalist, where x is the level of automation is zero. If all the capitalists can produce products with a cost of zero after materials, then (assuming the beloved capitalist competition exists) there will be a race to the bottom on surplus value extraction that ends at roughly zero.

Not only is it “bad” which is a relatively meaningless term in the historical development of economic systems, it’s also inherently unsustainable.

The cyclical nature of the crises of capitalism are directly related to capitalism’s inherent contradictions. They are getting more volatile and more pronounced as the rate of profit continues to fall closer and closer to zero.

As capitalists cut cost by reducing labor hours and wages, fewer people can purchase their goods (on the whole, this does not apply to every industry at every time, but the vast majority of industries are affected in this way.) This cycle leads to mass unemployment every 7-10 years, more or less.


If two parties each have something the other wants, and they agree to the transaction, where is the exploitation?

If a freed slave opts to stay working for their previous master because it’s all the slave knows, this is still exploitation.

This analogy extends to capitalism. If someone who only knows the exploitative relationships between worker and capitalist, and therefore opts to maintain the status quo, it does not change the reality that exploitation is inherent to the relationship.



Improving USAmerikkka wasn’t even the intention anyway. It was just improving the lives of white people, mostly just rich white people, with a few crumbs and a lot of racist thinking handed down to the poor white people.


Capitalism, it was the new hot shit after feudalism, but it just caused colonialism, imperialism, and mass starvation because there has to be an enormous reserve army of labor. It also leads to cyclical economic collapses which impoverish more people at the bottom while enriching people at the top, creating an oligarchy.


Why was it necessary to reference an ableist slur? There are plenty of complaints about Trump that don’t require ableism.


Sure, I’m in favor of user rights, too, but that’s not what this OP was complaining about. I’m barely contributing anything to Dessalines’ patreon, so I’m not about to make any demands about how they do anything. I’m very glad the devs have taken the time they have to do all this great work on lemmy.


It does run on tor, you just have to enable javascript, losing some of the benefits of tor.

Either way, this isn’t the place for putting state secrets that make you fear for your life. There are already better tools for that, and lemmy was never trying to be that.

If you want a lemmy instance that does, make your own.

You’re clearly not a developer, so you don’t understand that what you’re asking is for the lemmy devs to start the frontend over from scratch. Additionally, for most normal users who don’t have your specific needs, JavaScript powered webpages are likely preferable. In a perfect world, there would be both a JS-free and a JS version of the web page to cater to both categories.

We don’t live in that perfect world, sorry. Feel free to dedicate thousands of hours to learning to program and then hundreds or thousands more to implement the feature you want. We’d all appreciate your contribution.


This wasn’t really made to be the safe haven for people who know multiple state secrets and have assassins after them, it’s just a federated link aggregator.

Lmao, right? Well said. There are different tools for different jobs.


Try reading anything but Western propaganda for like five minutes. Blackshirts and Reds isn’t even about China, but if you read it and actually understood it, I think you’d see your takes on China are as ill informed as the uniformly negative takes of the USSR addressed by Michael Parenti in that book.

It’s not that there’s nothing bad ever happening in China, but you’re 100% just regurgitating propaganda which was spoon-fed to you in grade school and by the mainstream media.

Like, take this for example:

If you think they just want to control China (which includes Hong Kong, Taiwan, etc. in their eyes), you’re deluding yourself.

Firstly, Hong Kong and Taiwan are China, so I don’t know what point you’re making. China was colonized by Western powers and Japan, which led to the complicated material conditions in those special administrative regions.

Secondly, what proof do you have that China wants to control anyone else? If it’s the classic “debt trap diplomacy” claim, I recommend you listen to actual African leaders and intellectuals on the subject. There’s a reason that people are adopting Chinese debt in place of IMF and World Bank debt. China isn’t mandating domestic policy, while the IMF and World Bank are mandating domestic policy. It’s so common as to almost be a guarantee for the IMF and World Bank to force austerity onto borrowing countries.

professed communist societies

No one of consequence has ever professed that any existing or previously existing socialist state had achieved a communist society. I recommend you read about communism if you want to understand it, and if you don’t want to understand it, I honestly have no interest in engaging with you further. Anyone who criticizes something without even tacitly understanding it is not worth my time.

You should be asking questions not making assertions.


There was a story with Dell that automatically updated your IMEI, ME and or BIOS without user consent in the name of security which directly installed malware because the server was compromised.

Holy hell that’s simultaneously hilarious and sad. I hadn’t heard this, but I am not surprised.


The Socialist Program is one of my favorites, and I don’t see it mentioned yet. It’s got a lot of contemporary political analysis using historical and dialectical materialism. I highly recommend it. Anyone know any other podcasts like this?


He’s pretty big on the great man of history way of looking at things, it’s a pretty non-materialist, non-dialectical podcast. He’s entertaining, and for ancient history, he can be worth listening to.


Lmao, on yt, I’m sure. You’ll let the three letter agencies in the US watch you all day long, but you’re afraid of a political party half a world away that is trying to build socialism.


Agreed 100%. The marginalized voices who I previously never or rarely heard has been invaluable. There is so much to learn from marginalized voices who normally don’t have a platform.

That’s not to say TikTok is free from problems. It absolutely does fail to protect marginalized voices from things like harassment campaigns. Both from mass reports and hateful comment spamming.


Libs will still be all over reddit, and they’re the cash cow anyway.


I’m not a huge fan of this idea. I didn’t see any explanations in the article.

I can certainly see advantages, such as trying to limit foreign actors from the West in their ability to commit counterrevolutionary actions, but I’m guessing they would fail to prevent the import from such actors.

As quantum computing develops, 256 bit encryption will become increasingly obsolete. I suppose we can hope for encryption techniques which more effectively use the 256 bits, but ultimately longer keys will probably be necessary.

I wonder what their reasoning is.

It also looks a bit like they’re only disallowing the importing of those keys. If I’m reading that right, then it could make a ton of sense, since any imported technology will probably already have weaknesses or backdoors that the worst agencies, like the CIA, can take advantage of.

Hope it serves China well either way!


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