In a world without government, but where vaccinations are effective1, how would anarchists achieve a near 100% vaccination rate?

1 = i’m trying not to trigger any antivaxxers among us.

Follow up from https://lemmy.ml/post/86422

  • @3arn0wl
    link
    7
    edit-2
    2 years ago

    deleted by creator

  • @southerntofu
    link
    32 years ago

    Horizontal organizing. Anarchism is not opposed to organization, but opposed to domination, whether through organization (formal hierarchy) or through interpersonal relationships.

    It’s worth noting, that in an anarchist society, where the scientific establishment would work for the people (not private corporations), there would certainly be more trust from the general public. As you can see from current societies living by (some variations of) anarchist principles, such as the Zapatistas caracoles or the Rojava commune, some resources may lack but there is a general understanding that vaccines are good and some organization to distribute them.

    Anti-vaxxing mostly emerges from wide mistrust in the pharmaceutical industry [0], in the authorities and non-profit industrial complex [1], and from an individualistic society where you are not accountable to your fellow community members.

    To be clear, i’m for widespread vaccination. I just don’t think controls help make it more acceptable to people. I agree with the sentiments of older people calling on the youth to refuse their (old people) wellbeing as an excuse for more social control, but at the same time i feel like we should care more for the elderly and the fragile, as is more common in self-organized communities than in modern society where we are just “numbers” in spreadsheets.

    [0] And for good reason, these people have shown time and time again that they’re here to screw us over.

    [1] See for example the fake vaccination campaigns used to track down Ben Laden.

    • @BlinkyOP
      link
      1
      edit-2
      2 years ago

      deleted by creator

      • @southerntofu
        link
        22 years ago

        I guess we’re not talking about the antivaxxers who think the covid vaccinations are satanic or that it’s some kind of jewish conspiracy :p

        Yeah i’m talking about those. Those, at least the ones i know, are usually working class folks who don’t have higher education to understand the science behind it, and don’t know anyone from those medical circles due to class segregation (there’s no doctor living in my neighborhood). All they see about science is the bad stuff that directly affects them negatively, and the lies of the industry to protect their interests…

        Their “rationalization” of the problem is completely wrong (those damn freemason/illuminati satanic child abusers) but the evaluation of the symptom isn’t, so i can’t help but think that in a free society such things would not (or not so much) exist.

  • @Phantom_Engineer
    link
    12 years ago

    I feel like the question somewhat misunderstands anarchism. In an anarchist society, who is to say that a 100% vaccination rate is something that even needs to happen? If people want the shot they’ll get it. As far as distribution, that’s harder to say. It depends on how this particular society has organized itself. Under an ancap society it would be for sale just like anything else. Under an ancom society it would be distributed the same way that society distributes any other kind of resource.

    • @BlinkyOP
      link
      2
      edit-2
      2 years ago

      deleted by creator

    • @southerntofu
      link
      12 years ago

      Ancap is not anarchism though, as anarchism contests the very existence of all forms of domination and exploitation, among which private property (not personal belongings).

  • 10_0
    link
    1
    edit-2
    2 years ago

    if i understand anarchism correctly, there is no central authority such as a government to coordinate anything. depending on the how many people you need to vaccinate, it could be as easy as only 4 people needing it without any kind of authority needing to circulate it, or if theres a larger population of over, for example 100, there’d need to be some kind of temporary organization that could circulate the vaccine to all 100 people. but if we’re talking about on the scale of a country in a state of anarchism, then getting a 100℅ vaccination rate without organization is highly unlikely to happen. you need someone to safely transport the vaccine all parts of the country, someone to set up a centre for administrating the vaccine, guards to stop people from simply stealing all the doses, ect.

    tldr: depends on the scale of the society, the more people the less likely to get 100℅ without organization

      • 10_0
        link
        22 years ago

        our definitions of both anachism and communism are different, i know anarchism as “chaos” and “without organization”, communism as he said i think of as “authoritarian communism” .

        i think that with both youd still need some kind of organization to distribute the vaccines, for “communism” you could use a works union or political party, as for “anachism” youd make a organization for helping distributing the vaccines. (also who decides what is and isnt an unnecessary hierarchy?)

        • @BlinkyOP
          link
          2
          edit-2
          2 years ago

          deleted by creator

        • @southerntofu
          link
          2
          edit-2
          2 years ago

          i know anarchism as “chaos” and “without organization”

          That’s called anomy. Anarchy is the absence of domination, not the absence of order.

          (also who decides what is and isnt an unnecessary hierarchy?)

          Nobody. No hierarchy is necessary. I think there’s a lot of confusion around this expression. Some anarchists refer to “necessary hierarchy” as a power imbalance that’s not unjust, that is, which does not imply domination/exploitation.

          For example, someone may have more knowledge of a specific topic, or may have more physical force to achieve a certain task. It’s a form of power, but does not necessarily lead to injustice.

          For example, a teacher does not need authority over students, just like a doctor.

  • @Sauk
    link
    02 years ago

    It’s worth noting that some people would be putting themselves at risk by getting a vaccine so saying 100% is just kinda ehh. Plus like in an anarchist society some people might opt not to get the vaccine and nobody can stop them and that’s not a bad thing.