The last sentence is such a mask off, liberals are barely hiding their tinfoil hat thinking and the fact that they hate immigrants as much as the far right.
They do?
Anti-immigration comes in part from , which is not a liberal view. Opposing immigration from non-white countries while accepting immigrants from white countries is racism, and that’s usually more associated with conservatives talking exclusively about Mexicans.
that’s usually more associated with conservatives talking exclusively about Mexicans
Well since you mentionned Mexicans I suppose you’re basing your analysis on US politics rather than specifically EU politics is that right? I agree that it is imperial core in both cases but there are a few nuances.
In my experience with French politics, anti-Muslim / anti-Arab sentiment (a lot more prevalent since our immigrants are from the African continent) can be found all over the political spectrum, including social-democrats and self-proclaimed Communists.
The US Democratic Party might do more posturing, even with the Biden administration quietly pursuing Trumps policies. But in the end my point is that they have the same foundational racism that is linked to the material basis of the development of capitalism in the global north, settlers colonialism and genocide for the US and massive colonial empires for the EU
You are correct. As a typical American, I had forgotten that the rest of the world existed.
Although it’s worth mentioning that on a global stage, American “liberal” isn’t saying much. Both our major parties are pretty conservative, our “conservative” party just says the quiet parts out loud and copies their agenda out of ancient poetry.
Conservatives are liberals, too. I read the top comment in this thread as distinguishing between the far right (fascist or fascist-adjacent, some of whom pose as or are conservatives) and liberals (conservatives, ‘progressives’, radlibs, and all the radical tendencies that talk about revolution but whose actions reveal them as liberals).
So in the US, that both parties appear to be conservative is because they’re both liberal parties. (For now. They both have cryptos and far right members who will be leading the charge to fascism when it comes to it if we’re not already there.)
Imagine an FSB agent going to a bombed out village in sub-Saharan Africa, from which UN forces just bloodily expelled ISIS fighters, and that agent trying to convince the villagers to all get up and move to Britain because Russia wants them too.
Afaik ISIS has never been active in subsaharan Africa
ISIS has had a strong presence in Central and Northern Africa, and along with this article, off the top of my head I can say that there is a current UN multinational operation that is still fighting encircled remnant ISIS forces in Mali, Niger, Nigeria, and Mozambique.
Quote, “As of 2022, most of IS’s African territory is confined to northeastern Nigeria and northern Mozambique, alongside large swathes of eastern Mali.”
This is from 2015:
https://www.iiss.org/en/publications/strategic-comments/2015/isis-in-africa/
Everything I don’t like is Russian
I get blaming Russia for most things, but immigration? Really?
I figured it out that’s a popular trope in Poland and liberal EU .
The irony here is that the USSR actually took in refugees that Europe and the US wouldn’t and otherwise allowed for a lot of immigration. If you were from Africa and you wanted to become a doctor before 2000 or so, you went to Russia.
Yes, indeed. Ask Finland. They had increasing numbers of illegal immigrants all without passports crossing over from Russia in recent weeks. They are now tightening down security on that border.
If you believe those immigrants from Asia and Middle East just took a wrong turn and somehow marched all across Russia without any papers just to accidentally end up in Finland, I’ve got a bridge to sell to you.
They had increasing numbers of illegal immigrants all without passports crossing over from Russia in recent weeks.
I just checked the “increasing numbers” and it turns out it’s a couple hundred people at most. You’re really being a baby about this. Is it also Russia’s fault when you stub your toe in the morning?
“Russia is making me hate immigrants by sending asiatics to the blessed Nordic.”
Is it still “Russophobia” when Russia really is the problem?
Truly Finland’s #1 problem, illegal aliens from Kazakhstan!
Or you’re racist shithead and it doesn’t matter what Russia or anyone actually does. Your politics is merely a set of vibes-based trivia that appeal to your prejudices.
It’s still racism to talk about illegal immigrants. It’s Russophobic to blame Russia for being racist.
It’s still racism to talk about illegal immigrants
I’d probably word this as “it’s racism to make a boogeyman out of illegal immigrants” or something. Obviously just referring to them as a group is analytically helpful in a number of situations
But he is talking about Geert Wilders and his anti immigration stance, saying the massive waves are Russia’s responsibility. There are near 0 immigrants in The Netherlands coming from Russia. So is Russia also responsible for the Arab and African refugees that are coming to The Netherlands? For the Polish and Bulgarian and Romanian labour immigrants?
And it is not because of Russophobia and NATO slavery of Finland? Are you sure?
Okay Aaron Sorkin
Those are…Russians…crossing into Finland.
There always has to be an external malicious actor at play because otherwise it would mean that liberalism is failing and people are increasingly rejecting it. We see this happening in US as well where democrats still believe in the whole Russiagate conspiracy theory despite it having been thoroughly debunked at this point.
People who are still in the liberal mainstream are invariably those who haven’t been hit by any significant economic hardship, and they see their conditions as being largely representative of those of a typical person. They dismiss the notion that people are rejecting liberalism because the standard of living is declining because their own standard of living has remained largely unchanged. So, the only logical explanation must be that nefarious Russians or Chinese or whoever are behind all this brewing civil unrest western countries are seeing.
All these years, libs have been blaming crime on video games, music, and other media. Should we be shocked that it’s projection? That they base their worldview on games like Civ VI and Masters of Orion where you click ‘send spy’ and a little avatar walks across the border and hides among the designated enemy?
For sure, liberal world view is inherently infantile.
Masters of Orion where you click ‘send spy’ and a little avatar walks across the border and hides among the designated enemy?
Lmao in Master of Orion espionage was just allocating % of your empire resources to it.
There is also the fact that they had used up all the child slaves and stolen inheritances of abducted aboriginal First Nation children in Indian Residential fake schools that officially ended in 1998 and that continued after 1998 in secret to sustain the excessive free riding demand of Western European diaspora. The Western European diaspora could uses the immigrant of color as source of slaves and thievery to sustain the white free riding privileges, but the exploitation is not as effective as the Indian Residential fake school slave camps and death camps. In fact, the European diaspora of North America and Australia still need to illegally dump toxic chemical waste and landfill with highly poisonous leachate into the properties of Aboriginal groups and African Americans, lie that the residential fake school Holocaust are just “cultural genocide” to hide that fact that all the Nazi war crimes originated in the Indian Residential fake schools, and imprison aboriginal people in concentration camps which are used as toxic chemical dump sites until the Aboriginal groups forfeit the fruit of their labor and the reparation for the 150 years of fake school death camps.
We see this happening in US as well where democrats still believe in the whole Russiagate conspiracy theory despite it having been thoroughly debunked at this point
It literally was never debunked? The Trump campaign straight-up sent internal polling data to agents of the Russian intelligence service, who then released Hillary’s emails at the exact time necessary to derail media coverage of a major Trump scandal.
They were working together. Everybody knows they were. The Trump campaign openly admitted to it. The only thing that was “debunked” was “Russiagate was debunked.”
It literally was debunked though, and this is well documented at this point, but blueAnon just keep clinging to their conspiracy…
I’m not talking about the “Steele Dossier”, which was only ever a document of what people said about Donald Trump in Russia, not an attestation of any fact except that people had said that to the interviewer. Rumors. Of course, many rumors lack a basis in truth.
But “Russiagate” - the proposition that the Donald Trump campaign for the Presidency in 2016 worked with agents of Russian intelligence services - was never debunked, it was confirmed, including by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.
There is zero evidence of any actual collusion between Trump and Russia that came from all the Mueller investigations over the year. None. Nothing of what you claim to have been confirmed has been confirmed. What you’re doing here is regurgitating a conspiracy theory. Even WSJ admits this, right here in black and white
You’re literally no different from QAnon.
It simply stays in blueAnon minds
“Don’t send the files to the press. It’ll look suspicious. Send everything to Russian intelligence and ask them to send it to our press. Nobody will question it. Plus everyone knows that emails don’t work unless they go through a third party. It’s just how it is.”
I’ve seen that take all over Reddit. Somehow Putin is causing Europe to be racist towards migrants and Wagner is in there to make Africa and the Middle East unstable so more migrants will go into Europe. Russiagate was the biggest gift libs ever got because now they accuse anything of being Russian.
They tried that shit in some parts of Latin America and it didn’t take off because not as many people hate Putin as they do.
It’s worth noting that this didn’t just happen organically. The democrats in US cultivated the whole Russiagate conspiracy theory to explain why Clinton lost to Trump back in 2016. Associating Russia with Trump was a brilliant move because Trump is so deeply hated by the democrat base, and this hatred was easily transplanted onto Russia by association. Thanks to the whole Mueller report, we now know that this was complete nonsense. Jacobin did some good reporting on it, but this didn’t really get much coverage in the mainstream.
Definitely saving this the next time an obnoxious lib sends me an article “proving” Russian interference.
Also Aaron mate and Max blumenthal did good reporting on it. Russia hacking US election . lol
I just love how people genuinely believe that spending few hundred thousand on Fb ads tilted an election campaign parties poured billions of dollars into. It’s also funny how this whole election interference logic is never applied to Israel. If libs are so upset about Russian interference than why do they never have anything to say about the fact that Israel has an incredible amount of influence over their political system.
The democrats saw the republicans get all crazy with their Qanon and got jalous so they made their own deep state new world order conspiracy theory.
I’m just so dumbfounded at that last statement. Immigration waves coordinated by russia? fucking what?!
It’s not like years of violent imperialist foreign policy have anything to do with it…
This has been all over Finnish news lately and my boomer relatives are going apopleptic about it. There is a huge surge of immigrants through the Eastern border currently, and I think the part where Russia comes in is that Russia is supposedly fast-tracking all immigrants that arrive within its borders visas and sending them to the Finnish border
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I don’t know how many rubles I’d demand for voluntarily throwing away a quiet life to go on a Russian mission crossing the Mediterranean sea in a rowing boat, populate an abandoned Polish gym hall with like a thousand other migrants, and then live on subsidies in an area full of nazis; but it would not be a sum that the Kremlin could feasibly offer
Russia shit my pants
“Pekka Kallioniemi is a postdoctoral research fellow at the Tampere University and a social media expert.”
For once I get to do the “muh taxpayer money” meme
This post is like Tommy Wiseau’s The Room: so convoluted and stupid, but I can just barely understand what’s being said. I can’t feign ignorance and say I don’t understand a single word they’re saying. But to say that I get where they’re coming from or that their points have any relevance or connection with the other shit they present is even more false. 1/10 post by the Lib, do better, get your narratives straight and stick to it
I’m glad it wasn’t just me–I kept staring at it trying to figure out what they were going on about.
Got to the last sentence and holy shit
Damn
Jewish bolsheviksRussian interference threatening European whiteness. Same shit new century.Blame Russia and problems are solved. great.😂
“Oh, beware the Moscow Gold!”
