I was in a kerfuffle with a western “leftist” on discord. I was once on a server called “socialism” but then i got kicked for being a “tankie”, but that’s not the point of this. When I asked about where “democratic socialism”, which is more of an us-not-them word than anything imo, worked out, they pointed to Gadaffiist Libya. What would be a good response to that?
This is the first time I have heard of democratic socialists or social democrats upholding Gaddafi.
They kicked you for being a tankie then pointed to Gaddafi, lol.
I dont rly know much abt gaddafi
They don’t really deserve a response, tbh.
But, pretty much everyone who tried to establish Socialism without a violent revolution or the total support of the people has either been assassinated, or couped. With the shift in global politics towards pro-socialist models, we should see a bigger uptick in socialists being democratically elected, but with modern materialism, democratic socialism is an idealist’s goal.
I would say that you should stop arguing with people who completely disagree with you from the start, especially online. Thats just a waste of time. You can do something much more useful by joining a party
It doesn’t relate. I lean towards the left. This is why you don’t talk politics online.
So does your form of communism have examples that worked?
- China
- Cuba
- Vietnam
- Laos
Does china actually have socialism?
Yes
But don’t they have private ownership?
The US has the Bourgeoisie in the high ranks of the government. China doesn’t. The Chinese gov’t has strict regulations. China does not want a bourgeoisie, The USA does. China just keeps them out of necessity.
So it isn’t socialism?
Yes, it is. If China were capitalist, all these people who got too power hungry wouldn’t be arrested.
Wdym
It feels odd to use that argument on a Dem soc when that’s a common argument against communists. Previous success or failure of a system doesn’t mean the system is inherently ineffective.
Sorry about the bad wording in the first one. I have fixed it now.
Marxism Leninism succeeded everywhere where it was tried, the USSR and the Eastern Bloc did not fall due to communism’s “inherent failure”. It fell due to the capitalists bribing Gorbačëv with PIZZA HUT, bringing an end to the USSR/Eastern Bloc. China, on the other hand, while trading with other countries, pushes state and local enterprise. While with Gorbačëv, it was like “tHaNkS tO gOrBaČëV, wE nOw hAvE pIzZa HuT”. Dem Soc, on the other hand, never became a stable country (unless you count gaddafiist libya) which most demsocs don’t even consider a demsoc.
While I don’t think the USSR’s failure is due to communism, I’m saying that it’s odd to use the same sword used against us. The point should be that we have good ideas that don’t need to be stacked upon history. They’re just good ideas alone.
