I was in a kerfuffle with a western “leftist” on discord. I was once on a server called “socialism” but then i got kicked for being a “tankie”, but that’s not the point of this. When I asked about where “democratic socialism”, which is more of an us-not-them word than anything imo, worked out, they pointed to Gadaffiist Libya. What would be a good response to that?

    • Devin
      13·
      3 years ago

      Does china actually have socialism?

        • Devin
          33·
          3 years ago

          But don’t they have private ownership?

          • The Free PenguinOP
            51·
            3 years ago

            The US has the Bourgeoisie in the high ranks of the government. China doesn’t. The Chinese gov’t has strict regulations. China does not want a bourgeoisie, The USA does. China just keeps them out of necessity.

            • Devin
              44·
              3 years ago

              So it isn’t socialism?

              • The Free PenguinOP
                3·
                3 years ago

                Yes, it is. If China were capitalist, all these people who got too power hungry wouldn’t be arrested.

                • Devin
                  31·
                  3 years ago

                  But isn’t socialism about the workers owning the means of production. If there’s still plenty of private ownership of the means of production, isn’t that not socialism?

                  • Makan@lemmygrad.ml
                    1·
                    3 years ago

                    If there’s a democracy in China with the vanguard of the proletariat in power, it is socialism.