This should be illegal… - Manufacturers are swapping SSD components
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  • DBGamer
    6·
    3 years ago

    How is this not a FTC violation to begin with? If I order a Samsung 860 Pro then I should be getting MLC cells, so why would it be okay to swap them out for TLC instead?

    • poVoq
      101·
      2 years ago

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      • DBGamer
        2·
        3 years ago

        Ah I see, thanks for explaining that to me. :)

      • DBGamer
        3·
        3 years ago

        Indeed typically it will be MLC 2, 3, 4 and soon 5 bits (or PLC). At least they will tell you how many bits is in the MLC.

  • poVoq
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    2 years ago

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        • AgreeableLandscapeOP
          1·
          3 years ago

          Yeah, if they fab all their own components then it’s a lot less likely for this to happen, but a large portion of the biggest players don’t fab.

          • poVoq
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            2 years ago

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  • blank_sl8
    2·
    3 years ago

    Both the title of this post and Linus’ title seem like mild clickbait. The “real world” performance benchmarks of the modified SSDs were actually slightly higher than that of the early review copies, and I think it’s reasonable to believe that the changes were made for supply chain reasons rather than to save a few bucks (at least in the Adata case; the PNY case he mentions briefly at the end seems much worse).

      • Helix
        41·
        3 years ago

        Depends on the IO requirements. For lots of reads and rare writes SSDs are usually better because they don’t have moving parts. HDDs are better for cold storage, as SSDs lose their charge over time.

        • Jeffrey
          2·
          3 years ago

          HDDs are not ideal for long-term cold storage either due to data rot, the magnetic charges on the hard drive platter that encode for 1 or 0 lose their magnetism over time. I’ve read that data rot can start to occur in as little as 1year if the data hasn’t been “refreshed” by powering the hard drive on and re-writing all the data.

          There are some archival-grade hard drives, but if you have data that you don’t want to store in the cloud and don’t access often an LTO drive is your best bet. You can get LTO tapes certified for 30+ years of cold storage, but the catch is that reading the data is super slow… and the tapes themselves are super flammable.

          • Helix
            2·
            3 years ago

            I’ve read that data rot can start to occur in as little as 1year if the data hasn’t been “refreshed” by powering the hard drive on and re-writing all the data.

            Exactly, and with SSDs that can happen after a few weeks (!) of not turning the thing on. The only really reliable way is probably compressing and encoding it into literal granite.

            LTO tapes certified for 30+ years of cold storage

            Yeah, We had one of those we couldn’t read because some dumdum stored it sideways. The bits literally fall down, so you have to store LTO drives like this: | and not like this: _ ;)

            Cold storage is a science in and of itself, there’s college courses for archivists about storage formats. tl;da: use several media and copy it around with checksums every few years. Keep the data luke-warm, not ice-cold.

          • Helix
            1·
            3 years ago

            HDDs have SMART, and that makes them.better than SSDs

            Yeah, because SSDs also have SMART. The metrics are different.

              • Helix
                1·
                3 years ago

                SMART is an interface standard implemented by the HDD or SSD controller. The implementation is proprietary for almost all HDDs, too.

    • AgreeableLandscapeOP
      5·
      3 years ago

      I don’t get the hate towards him tbh. He’s obviously not perfect, but they’re one of the least shill mainstream tech channels. They also went to a lot of effort and did their own independent investigation for this video.