• SovereignState@lemmygrad.ml
      21·
      2 years ago

      I swear, if the U.S. had set up military bases in the East, these fools would be praising them for being a bulwark against fascism. When the Soviets do it and save millions of Jewish lives, they’re warmongers.

      • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml
        151·
        2 years ago

        People in Poland gobble the traitor Rezun books like crazy, where there are hot takes like having military supplies near the border means certainly planning invasion (but only in USSR).

          • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml
            41·
            2 years ago

            Yeah one publishing house published all his books i think and despite them being often seen in discount bins, they are everywhere, and even worse, in bookstores they are put on the “history” shelves.

            Even more ironic in Poland because he wanted to be russian Kukliński, traitor who is now hailed a hero after destruction of socialism, but unfortunately for him even fucking Yeltsin did not stoop so low.

  • Anarcho-Bolshevik@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
    21·
    1 year ago

    Oh, yes, of course. The real cause of World War II wasn’t the Imperial bourgeoisie colonizing Manchuria in 1931 for the survival and expansion of Japanese capital, or the Fascist bourgeoisie starting a colonial war on Ethiopia in 1935 for similar reasons, or the Marco Polo Bridge incident of 1937, or the European ruling classes partitioning Czechoslovakia in 1938, or even Axis forces striking Pearl Harbor in 1941. No, not even close.

    The real cause of it all was that Joseph Stalin just got out of bed one day in 1939, decided that he had nothing better to do, and—without the input of anybody else—immediately “allied” with the Third Reich and went into Poland to fuck it up for the lulz.

    Why on Earth are these people in a ‘history’ subcommunity when they are so obviously uninterested in the subject?

    ETA: orthography; citation.

  • Mzuark@lemmygrad.ml
    19·
    2 years ago

    People seriously think the Nazis and Soviets went from hand-in-hand alliance to a genocidal war in like 3 years.

    • Red Phoenix@lemmygrad.ml
      12·
      2 years ago

      It’s that bad even in higher education. No one even considers the context of the situation from the Soviet perspective. There’s very little intellectual honesty in institutions here supposedly devoted to it.

  • Anatolianin@lemmygrad.ml
    17·
    2 years ago

    When you was one of the few forces that opposed nazi rising in Europe but 80 years later some armchair historian that learnt history through Wikipedia and same armchair historians want to say something they think is funny, intellectual and original.

    • ButtigiegMineralMap@lemmygrad.ml
      12·
      2 years ago

      Lol on Deprogram they made a great point. Communists must know everything about every topic, we need to know biology, history, economics, politics, philosophy, and anthropology, meanwhile the bar is below the ground for what it takes to be a good anti-communist. You can say Uyghurs are being killed or imprisoned. You can say Mao killed people who were never born, you can blame regularly occurring famines on one individual person’s decisions. You can claim that a nation with representative government and voting rights for all has No democracy, hell you can call the leader of that Democratic Republic that he’s a dictator despite popular support and tangible achievements for their nation that were not present before the Revolution. you can defend USA’s use of nuclear weapons on civilians but you can at the same time say the US is the only one responsible enough to use them and will call Kim Jong Un(who has never once actually used nuclear weapons on enemy targets before) a violent maniac that will blow us all up. Classic Anti-comms, smfh

      • supersolid_snake@lemmygrad.ml
        6·
        2 years ago

        I love that podcast and I recall them making this point (or perhaps I am mixing up my podcasts). I think the burden comes from so few numbers of us that one person will be arguing for socialism against like 10 people or more (at least the propaganda generated by 1 person to 10) so it becomes a tall order.

        • ButtigiegMineralMap@lemmygrad.ml
          4·
          2 years ago

          Yea definitely, it’s tough to argue in favor of socialism with so many instantly wincing in fear at the mere mention of it in capitalist hubs like UK Germany US and many others

  • GloriousDoubleK@lemmygrad.ml
    14·
    2 years ago

    …These idiots put in so much work to make sure people have knee jerk reactions to any beneficial collective social project.

    These are the same kind of people who would have dynamited roads and rail, destroyed electrical grids, and sabotaged Polio vaccine production. But because they were born in a world surrounded by these things, they take it for granted as much as grass and blue skies.

    It’s always an antisocial effort with these luddites. Luddites. They will tell themselves ANYTHING to avoid progress; even if it means lying about history to make collective efforts look bad.

  • ButtigiegMineralMap@lemmygrad.ml
    12·
    2 years ago

    1933 - UK, France, Italy

    • the four powers pact 1934
    • Poland - Hitler - Pilsudski pact 1935
    • UK - Anglo-German Naval Agreement 1936
    • Japan - Anti-Comintern Pact 1938 September
    • UK - German-British non aggression Pact 1938 December - France - German-French non-aggression Pact 1939 March
    • Romania German-Romanian Economical Treaty 1939 March
    • Lithuania
    • non-aggression Pact 1939 May Italy - Pact of Steel (Friendship and Alliance) 1939 May
    • Danemark - non-aggression Pact 1939 June
    • Estonia - non-aggression Pact 1939 July - Latvia - non-aggression Pact 1939 August - Soviet Union - nonaggression Pact (Molotov-Ribbentrop) Sorry if this is cropped weird, it was in my notes. Basically this is a nice way to show Libs that their precious Western Democracies allied with Hitler economically and militarily way before the USSR signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop
    • supersolid_snake@lemmygrad.ml
      11·
      2 years ago

      They don’t care even if you prove this. Liberalism is a religion yet the people that aren’t part of it (the downtrodden of the world) have to pay tithes to it against their will. Why would they change their mind?

      • ButtigiegMineralMap@lemmygrad.ml
        8·
        2 years ago

        Idk I’ve gotten lucky before and actually changed a few minds when I showed them this. Obv they’re still libs but they at least recognize this important historical fact. The main point that made them agree with the USSR on that point was the fact that the USSR tried signing a pact with Western Europe against the Nazis first and Western Europe denied them. That actually surprised my friends and they looked into it further and found it was true. I do try to keep in mind tho that very few people are actually willing to listen or research anything that doesn’t allign with the current narrative but every once in a while u can be lucky

  • HiddenLayer5
    10·
    2 years ago

    Anyone got a lib brain friendly resource on the how, why, and what actually happened with, one, the invasion of Poland, and two, the war with Finland, that I can just sprinkle into the comments under these things?

  • lemmy_mouse
    6·
    2 years ago

    That’s so weird, they replaced the picture of the US with one of Stalin. Must help with the sting that the human rights thing is complete bullshit, getting to see a real hero, the one they always claim to be, instead of the morbid reality.