Free education -Soviet Union, China, Cuba, Vietnam
15% wage for rent - Soviet Union
Land Redistribution (Landback?) - Cuba, China, Soviet Union
Unions - Soviet Union, Cuba, China, Vietnam, DPRK
Free natural disaster reconstruction - DPRK
State of the art public transit - China
No electricity bill -Gaddafi Libya
No interest loans - Gaddafi Libya
On work site medical care - Soviet Union
Pre employment unemployment UBI - Gaddafi Libya
We can go on and on and on and on and on.
If one is an “anti tankie”, then it must follow that one must be against these kinds of policies.
Progressives and leftists DREAM of having these things. But they’re committed to being against the tankies.
They have yet to demonstrate how the masses are supposed to get these benefits by negotiating and appealing to the good graces of capitalists.
But they’re TERRIFIED at the prospect that the people.may do these exact things AT GUNPOINT. As if they know those guns are meant for them.
anti tankie leftists are anticommunists, whether they admit it or not
“hello I am communist, except I don’t support any socialist country that has ever existed and prefer western imperial core countries over them”
antisocialists even
Maybe if you don’t want to be killed or imprisoned by a worker’s state, stop…sabotaging it?
Not to mention these countries historically and relatively are far more patient with internal saboteurs than capitalist countries. Ask the Black Panthers, the union leaders, even the liberal BLM/Occupy protestors, how nominally going against American hegemony went for them…
The Indonesians chopped their communists into little pieces and fed them to the crocodiles.
That is just so fucking sad. Imagine murdering people because they didnt want other people to go hungry.
~1,000,000 people were killed out of fear of a working class takeover in Indonesia, carried out by Suharto at the behest of the US and British governments. This “Jakarta method” of pushing back communist movements through extreme violence was then exported all over the world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_mass_killings_of_1965–66
Honestly though. When you actually study the context of the political purges in the USSR it’s almost frustrating how forgiving the party under Stalin was in the beginning. Like things eventually escalated to extremity because they kept forgiving saboteurs and opportunists.
Obligatory reminder that for example Zinoviev and Kamenev were expelled from the party three times before getting accused of treason, while just the stunt they pulled shortly before the revolution would be enough for them to meet the wall in every single capitalist country (and they weren’t even kicked out back then so not included in those three times).
Anti-tankie = neoliberal clown with no understanding of geopolitics, power dynamics, critical thinking if they claim to be a leftist.
If you aren’t a pseudo/western/vibe leftist then you’re a fascist pawn and maybe you should stick your head in the literal sand and stay their till your stupid fascist enabling ideology rots away with your brain.
“But but but… Freeze Peach! And Freedom! And McDonald Hamburger!!! Tankie’s will stop me from eating all the Big Macs I want” >: (
^Most intelligent anti-tankie theorist
Goddammit I want my freedom fries and liberty burger!!! 😤😤😤
Algerian stuff
Algeria has free health care, free education, work unions since 1954, free housing, cheap transport (completely free train rides if you’re a college student) and for a while it had the “الارض لمن يخدمها” policy (it was after pied noir left and Algeria couldn’t take care of lands it nationalized so it gave it away to farmers who worked on it) just wanted to share them
free housing
yooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
It takes a while,but you just place the order then wait a year or two until they build it then they give you the keys to live in it, I think it was like 6 million since 2013, this November they announced around 130k people
The a football field here but sometimes there’s swings and slides, also renting out these after getting it for free will land you 15 years in jail
based
Do you get access to some temporary free housing before it’s built? Are there any particular conditions for getting/keeping an apartment (aside from following the laws)? E.g. if you’re unable to work for whatever reason
renting out these after getting it for free will land you 15 years in jail
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Do you get access to some temporary free housing before it’s built?
I am not sure, but most people get along the waiting period because the algerian society is completely fine with people as old as 30 living with their parents/family then placing order when marrying, if there’s a trend change and people start to look down upon this maybe they’ll give the fee
Are there any particular conditions for getting/keeping an apartment (aside from following the laws)?
Nope
o ma gah
Christ almighty that’s based!
Ugh. I love the colors.
Please annex us
No, coup your king by yourself, we are going to annex Marseille
Holy shit that’s based.
TIL Algeria still has socialist policies, and quite based ones
Thank you.
I honestly have to argue what the fuck they wanna talk about when they mean they’re against tankies. Cause if it’s being against policy; I have ZERO idea why they arent just far right libertarians.
When they are against tankies, they are for their self-interests. They just are too narcissistic to admit selfishness. That’s all.
What about the authoritarian aspect of using state power?
I want to make sure I understand your meaning…
“We will make sure people have a bed to sleep in and a full belly. And we will make sure UP TO using the gun to see that it happens.”
…Is that what you mean?
Because I would LOVE and I mean fucking. LOVE for my country to be downright draconian as the 10th circle of Hell to see to it that the people have all that they need.
Genuinely. Do you seriously have an issue with folks who want to hurt the common prosperity and welfare of the masses living a life of terror?
Can you walk us through what you mean? Because forcing the common prosperity and security of the masses at gun point is unironically the most moral and right thing to do.
Frankly. I seriously think these “socialists” who want to means test socialism should be put in prison.
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I guess I’m just more of a fan of going about it through the use of industrial unionization, rather than using state power and hoping that centralized power doesn’t corrupt those who wield it.
LoL. Aight, sib.
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I yearn to be Algerian 😭
yeah but have you considered amnimal fram 1968
They have yet to demonstrate how the masses are supposed to get these benefits by negotiating and appealing to the good graces of capitalists.
Eloquently put 👏👏👏
Be sure to include abortion rights in the list to pre-empt those that insist there’s some kind of slow but steady progress under neoliberalism.
The mysterious down voter strikes again.
Why downvote when they can put me in my place? Golden opportunity to show why Im wrong and to point out precisely what it is about socialist governments they hate so much.
Two of them
It’s no longer mysterious prolly the krustycheese
I think it’s more likely that it’s some anticommunist from lemmy.ml
Imagine spending time hate lurking. I mean… Why? Feeling hateful and feeling angry is just super unpleasant.
I certainly dont hate lurk liberal places of Colbert worship.
I guess they must get something out of it
Even before when I went full-on tankie I did admit in my baby leftist years that these countries are, okay, in terms of existing and acting as a decent socialist state. So yeah, I agree with a lot of points here.
Instructions unclear, now I am tankie
