My response:
“Mixed economy” in China = building socialism by appropriating bourgeois property, by degree
vs
“Mixed economy” in the Nordics = state companies for energy and healthcare paid for by taxing private firms
Yeah I was wondering how socialism with Chinese characteristics plays into this. Surely this is an example of a mixed economy?
PRC: “Mixed economy” while building a modern socialist society, on the way to achieving communism. The Nordic countries: Thinking mixed economy is the goal, and that it will somehow work for everyone.
This is a very succinct way to explain it. Thank you
I have caught a wild liberal
how many 12 year olds are reading Lenin
Not enough.
And these people with their nebulous “common sense” say communists live in a fantasy land.
I fucking wish 12 year old even knew Lenin
So… The better source is making it up than actually reading?
shh your going to scare it we need to catch it and study it XD
What a moron
I think a lot of these social democrat/mixed economy types have good intentions, they’re just so stuffed full with western exceptionalist propaganda and haven’t yet been taught about class relations. Sure some social democrats are turned into fascists by forces of reaction, but growing up in a capitalist paradigm, never seeing the oppression of the imperial fringes, and yet wanting some semblance of respect and care and dignity given to humans in general isn’t a bad starting point.
Social democracy, or any other form of mixed economy, is inherently unstable. One side has to give, one side will eventually become stronger and bend the system and institutions to their will. In fact many social democratic institutions are already beholden to capital, even when they put up a facade of being for the people.
We don’t even need historical examples of this instability, we can see that before our eyes in Scandinavia for example. The social state is slowly becoming undone because the capitalist class is winning the class war.
Social democracy, or any other form of mixed economy, is inherently unstable. One side has to give, one side will eventually become stronger and bend the system and institutions to their will. In fact many social democratic institutions are already beholden to capital, even when they put up a facade of being for the people.
Living in a country that is ruled by “Social democrats” I can first hand confirm this. I hate Social democrats. They always try to please both the proletariat and the bourgeoisie, when in reality only the bourgeoisie gets pleased and capital gets bigger. Meanwhile the media loves to show and highlight only the petit-bourgeoisie and higher, as if anything below that is just a myth. And if you criticize this you at most get told to “just work harder bro”.
Some people here have called for nationalizing power plants before, but no politician anywhere close to any power is interested in that. “Sure we could do that and the majority would only benefit from this but we need to please both sides. Sorry guys. Here are 500€ for compensation.”
Social democracy is a totally bankrupt ideology. To quote German communists, “who betrayed us? The social democrats!” Yet due to a lack of class consciousness it’s not appropriate in most circles to say that social democracy is the left wing of fascism.
That’s why the left needs to seize on every single failure of the social democrats.
When the progressive “squad” in the US gives into the interparty pressure to retract the most pathetic excuse for an antiwar letter, every communist has a duty to be borderline obnoxious about the failure of social democracy.
Social democrats: “Communism is good in theory, but bad in practice”
Me: “MF do you even see what is going on around you?”
Completely agree. Most people who support “mixed economies” start out with good intentions, but because of propaganda and scaremongering they honestly believe that any other alternative is worse.
What’s better? Racism - mixed - no racism at all
Same logic, some extremes can’t have a middle inbetween, you can’t sometimes oppress workers then other times not oppress them and call it a day
oh can we please have just a little bit of racism, “no racism” is just too extreme, unrealistic, human nature, free speech
racism is ok when the target is a bad person
- libs
Just look at the lib treatment of Eastern Europe and Latin America
By “mixed economy” they always understand keynesian ideas or some other succdem emanations, which are of course pure capitalism, just with some social safety nets.
by “mixed economy” and “socialism” they probably mean social democracy (or maybe it’s just the socialism option, i can’t tell)
“Ffs read Marx and Lenin before spouting dogshit on the Internet”
Lmao absolutely slapped them down 🤣 based based based
I have seen your profile a numerous amount of times comrade!
“We need a mix of private and social ownership of the means of production”
You can’t expect to live in a house that’s completely not on fire can you? You need to have some parts of it burning to balance things out!
Actually, this analogy even applies to “market socialism” like in China, or the fact that socialist countries still have some bourgeois elements in general: socialism is like the fire department, in the process of spraying down a house. You can’t put out a fire all at once. Communism is when the fire has been completely extinguished and the burned parts rebuilt.
I see we have reached the “bargaining” stage of social collapse
