Personally, that’d be way to much for me circa 2022.
That’s totally okay, sometimes it can take a long time to undo what we’ve internalized from the experiences we’ve had and the culture we grew up in. For most people who grow up in male society, not being physically close with others is reinforced many, many ways. The old thought was that this kind of behavior was ‘gay’ and thus ostracized. Today many are embracing (quite literally) the idea that it’s healthy and okay, but it’s a very slow change and surrounding yourself with people who have a different set of values which reflect addressing your needs can help to accelerate your comfort with this kind of behavior.
i’d sorta look over at the dude and try to feel out if he wanted to dance together or something, but nada.
He probably grew up in a very similar environment to you. How often do you see two men dancing with each other at the club? More today than 10 years ago, certainly, but much less often than two women. This is the power of societal reinforcement. Unfortunately it means many other men may be unwilling to participate in physical bonding (well, at least in this case… physical bonding seems to be a lot more common when it comes to sports - celebrating scoring points and good plays, slapping each other’s asses, etc.) and you may need to turn your attention to queer spaces which are more affectionate in this manner or towards women who are okay with this. Unfortunately many women will not be physically affectionate with men because many men misread this sign or see this as an opening to be a sexual predator.
What gender and sexuality are you if you don’t mind me asking? I’m cishetman.
Non-binary pansexual
I figured they were concerned i’m douchbag or had worse experiences with het men so i didn’t mind much. But doesn’t exactly make it easy for me to talk to them.
Many people have their guard up for many good reasons. Being upfront, honest, and vulnerable can help to break down these barriers. Sharing thoughts about your feelings - the wants and needs, and the troubles you’re experiencing is generally speaking not a very cishetman thing to do and can help to show the vulnerability and desire to connect with another. It might not be the magic bullet 100% of the time, but I think it can help for you to form deeper bonds.
Also, I think it’s not a bad idea to bring things like this up with the person if you want to form a deeper bond with them. I would never be offended if someone came to me and said something along the lines of “hey, I just wanted you to know that I really value you as a friend and I want to get to know you better but I feel like you have your guard up around me. I don’t know if this is a result of how you’ve been treated in the past or if it’s just in my head but I want you to know that I value our relationship and really enjoy spending time with you”
Unfortunately many women will not be physically affectionate with men because many men misread this sign
I think it’s mostly due to societal expectation. Ex even me, for the most part, I have very little understanding of being close emotionally or physically with someone and not dating them. Like I can theorize about it, but it’s just theories in my head, since i have basically no real experience of this. Sounds like the life you’ve lived/other ppl in the same community would be an interesting work of fiction. Aliens in like avengers movies are pretty much just typical society copy and pasted by with a skin change.
I would never be offended if someone came to me and said something along the lines of
I dig it. But in my life, both men and women would be offended if i said this to them haha. But i’ll ponder on this for a while and see if i can come up with a modification i could use.
Sharing thoughts about your feelings - the wants and needs, and the troubles you’re experiencing is generally speaking not a very cishetman thing to do and can help to show the vulnerability and desire to connect with another.
It’s genuinely a risky approach to do this, bc it’s not uncommon to be called a pussy (or similar) for sharing the vulnerabilities. Last happened to me 2 weeks ago. Though it was a (likely) cishetWoman, but she seems pretty conservative, so got black swaned there. But yeah, if i can correctly read a person isn’t gonna be offended by ‘i can feel pain’, then it’s probably helpful.
Also, you blog about this kind of thing anywhere? I wanna read more about the world you’ve live lol
Ex even me, for the most part, I have very little understanding of being close emotionally or physically with someone and not dating them.
So this is important to recognize when it comes to internalizations - this is what society has been teaching you as a male, is normal. Women do not have this problem, because women are allowed to be physically close with other women. However, they will learn, quite quickly, that this makes them prey to sexual assault and unwanted sexual attention from men and will learn to avoid this behavior.
But in my life, both men and women would be offended if i said this to them
Some may, but many will not. I understand, however, that you may not be willing to test this given what you said next:
It’s genuinely a risky approach to do this, bc it’s not uncommon to be called a pussy (or similar) for sharing the vulnerabilities.
I find it sad you live in a society which treats you like this. As I mentioned earlier, seeking out explicitly queer spaces might help to avoid this kind of toxic behavior. Moving somewhere a bit less conservative might help as well. I understand that neither of these may be accessible to you and I’m sad that many people are stuck in positions like this and unable to healthily connect with others.
Also, you blog about this kind of thing anywhere? I wanna read more about the world you’ve live lol
I do not. I live in one of the gayest cities in the world (San Francisco), but this isn’t exactly new behavior for me either. I lived similarly even in much less gay cities. It’s really about who you seek out and surround yourself with.
Any blogs or content creators that you know off that share similar kinds of stories? I figure this would be another way to learn about this kind of thing.
That’s totally okay, sometimes it can take a long time to undo what we’ve internalized from the experiences we’ve had and the culture we grew up in. For most people who grow up in male society, not being physically close with others is reinforced many, many ways. The old thought was that this kind of behavior was ‘gay’ and thus ostracized. Today many are embracing (quite literally) the idea that it’s healthy and okay, but it’s a very slow change and surrounding yourself with people who have a different set of values which reflect addressing your needs can help to accelerate your comfort with this kind of behavior.
He probably grew up in a very similar environment to you. How often do you see two men dancing with each other at the club? More today than 10 years ago, certainly, but much less often than two women. This is the power of societal reinforcement. Unfortunately it means many other men may be unwilling to participate in physical bonding (well, at least in this case… physical bonding seems to be a lot more common when it comes to sports - celebrating scoring points and good plays, slapping each other’s asses, etc.) and you may need to turn your attention to queer spaces which are more affectionate in this manner or towards women who are okay with this. Unfortunately many women will not be physically affectionate with men because many men misread this sign or see this as an opening to be a sexual predator.
Non-binary pansexual
Many people have their guard up for many good reasons. Being upfront, honest, and vulnerable can help to break down these barriers. Sharing thoughts about your feelings - the wants and needs, and the troubles you’re experiencing is generally speaking not a very cishetman thing to do and can help to show the vulnerability and desire to connect with another. It might not be the magic bullet 100% of the time, but I think it can help for you to form deeper bonds.
Also, I think it’s not a bad idea to bring things like this up with the person if you want to form a deeper bond with them. I would never be offended if someone came to me and said something along the lines of “hey, I just wanted you to know that I really value you as a friend and I want to get to know you better but I feel like you have your guard up around me. I don’t know if this is a result of how you’ve been treated in the past or if it’s just in my head but I want you to know that I value our relationship and really enjoy spending time with you”
I think it’s mostly due to societal expectation. Ex even me, for the most part, I have very little understanding of being close emotionally or physically with someone and not dating them. Like I can theorize about it, but it’s just theories in my head, since i have basically no real experience of this. Sounds like the life you’ve lived/other ppl in the same community would be an interesting work of fiction. Aliens in like avengers movies are pretty much just typical society copy and pasted by with a skin change.
I dig it. But in my life, both men and women would be offended if i said this to them haha. But i’ll ponder on this for a while and see if i can come up with a modification i could use.
It’s genuinely a risky approach to do this, bc it’s not uncommon to be called a pussy (or similar) for sharing the vulnerabilities. Last happened to me 2 weeks ago. Though it was a (likely) cishetWoman, but she seems pretty conservative, so got black swaned there. But yeah, if i can correctly read a person isn’t gonna be offended by ‘i can feel pain’, then it’s probably helpful.
Also, you blog about this kind of thing anywhere? I wanna read more about the world you’ve live lol
So this is important to recognize when it comes to internalizations - this is what society has been teaching you as a male, is normal. Women do not have this problem, because women are allowed to be physically close with other women. However, they will learn, quite quickly, that this makes them prey to sexual assault and unwanted sexual attention from men and will learn to avoid this behavior.
Some may, but many will not. I understand, however, that you may not be willing to test this given what you said next:
I find it sad you live in a society which treats you like this. As I mentioned earlier, seeking out explicitly queer spaces might help to avoid this kind of toxic behavior. Moving somewhere a bit less conservative might help as well. I understand that neither of these may be accessible to you and I’m sad that many people are stuck in positions like this and unable to healthily connect with others.
I do not. I live in one of the gayest cities in the world (San Francisco), but this isn’t exactly new behavior for me either. I lived similarly even in much less gay cities. It’s really about who you seek out and surround yourself with.
Any blogs or content creators that you know off that share similar kinds of stories? I figure this would be another way to learn about this kind of thing.
I really can’t think of anyone who does, but I’ve also never sought out this kind of content. Sorry!
nw, thanks for the talk!