cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/320628

https://redd.it/v8l8vi

These people keep bringing up “mArKeT sHaRE”

  1. Linux is free. How would it get market share?
  2. It’s quite difficult to get an accurate “market share” since user-agents can be faked.

EDIT: I wonder if Microsoft are making anti-Linux accounts to try and hamper Linux.

  • Muad'Dibber@lemmygrad.ml
    20·
    2 years ago

    The programming, privacy, and technology subs are all extremely pro microsoft too. As much as I’d like to think its a conspiracy, its really just that most western tech nerds have the historical memory of a goldfish. And they’re too gamer-brained to ever leave windows.

    • FuckBigTech347@lemmygrad.ml
      9·
      2 years ago

      What annoys me is that there is so much fantastic software out there that is FOSS and in some cases could do more even 20 years ago than their proprietary counterpart. Yet most of reddit (even linux subs) simps for VSCode when there are literally dozens of great text editors out there that are not just a Jabbascript Electron app that phones home to M$ all the time. Same goes with M$ Office or literally anything proprietary from bigtech in general.

      • Muad'Dibber@lemmygrad.ml
        6·
        2 years ago

        VSCode simps are the worst. Like the thing has built in telemetry that’s impossible to turn off completely, is a bloated electron mess, and M$ apologists refuse to learn vim or emacs or any number of fast code editors.

        • comfy
          4·
          2 years ago

          I don’t think it’s fair to compare something like VSCode to vim and emacs. There’s a wide range in between, including FOSS tools. I can understand not jumping to something with a learning curve like vim, I’m more annoyed they don’t learn one of the super accessible GUI alternatives!

        • Arsen6331 ☭@lemmygrad.ml
          2·
          2 years ago

          I want to learn vim instead and have tried multiple times, but every time, my executive function says no and I end up going back

          • Muad'Dibber@lemmygrad.ml
            2·
            2 years ago

            Vimtutor comrade, and this page.

            Then force yourself to use it for just a week, and you’ll immediately start to develop muscle memory and not have to think about what you’re doing.

            There’s also kate and sublime text, but vim is so powerful, that after you get used to it, there’s no going back.

      • Arsen6331 ☭@lemmygrad.ml
        3·
        2 years ago

        I wish I could escape JS, Electron, and VSCod(ium). I’d do it the second I see a viable alternative. Unfortunately, there is no other GUI editor that would provide the features I want and my executive function says no every time I try to learn vim.

        In particular, I write Go, so I need a bunch of tools to check my code as I write it (go-staticcheck, go vet, etc.), as well as an LSP (gopls) to do autocomplete and such. Of course, I could write code without it, but it allows me to write better code a lot faster.

        Also, I write TinyGo for microcontrollers, in which case, I need to be able to automatically set the environment variables and flags of the aforementioned tools depending on the specific microcontroller I happen to be working on at the time, which is usually different for every project, and often changes in the middle of the project. This is handled in vscode by the TinyGo extension, which I have to download manually as I’m not using Microsoft’s telemetry-ridden VSCode.

        The only useful alternative is JetBrains GoLand, which is not only proprietary, it uses Java, which means it is just as bloated and slow as VSCode.

          • Arsen6331 ☭@lemmygrad.ml
            2·
            2 years ago

            I figured out the problem. Turns out Kate doesn’t use my PATH variable. I installed gopls into /usr/bin instead of Go’s binary path, and it now works. I am finally free from electron!

  • Jared Mohammed@lemmygrad.ml
    17·
    2 years ago

    Complacency, lack of willingness to learn anything that differ from their previous perspective/experience and general stubborness, basically.

    Also Reddit is not exactly the place if you want an intellectual (or for any competent) discussion.

  • Kaffe@lemmygrad.ml
    15·
    2 years ago

    People don’t understand what Linux is, many don’t know what an OS really is either. Microsoft and DirectX are able to spend a lot of time and money on getting devs to create games on Windows. This is changing slowly though as open source and cross platform APIs like Vulkan show up.

  • freagle@lemmygrad.ml
    172·
    2 years ago

    Hot take incoming.

    It’s because using Windows is traumatizing. Windows users are traumatized, and people who decide to become power users are doubly traumatized. The power users share their first trauma with all Windows users, so they have empathetic identification with them. The power users share their second, chosen, trauma with each other, and therefore see eachother as an in-group community.

    The very existence of Linux suggests that not only was the first trauma unnecessary, indicating a cruel world, but also that the second trauma was unnecessary, meaning that they caused their own suffering for no meaningful purpose.

    Therefore they must resist Linux at all costs in order to maintain their world view that they suffered justly and valiantly, that their friends and family suffer necessarily, and that their in-group is special.

    It’s a form of Stockholm Syndrome.

    • holdengreen@lemmygrad.ml
      1·
      2 years ago

      Some of them are just unsophisticated. Others will use casual excuses like I don’t have time. But speaking as someone who has used Linux for the vast majority of my computing life: Windows is pure terrible. It’s more than the inferior tech. It’s the ideology.

    • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml
      131·
      2 years ago

      This is the relevant reason though. Also the other software. I use specialised software in work that runs only for windows and there problem with compatibility even under the same programs under the same system. Entire thing would probably explode if anyone on the line used linux.

      Anyway, the problem is not Windows. The problem is again, capitalism.

    • Jared Mohammed@lemmygrad.ml
      12·
      2 years ago

      The irony is that the majority of games can be played on Linux natively or with wine/proton. The games that mostly have been given major problems is those with an antiquated version of their kernel level anti-cheat software (which thankfully only works in the userspace on Linux) or some form of DRM.

      • FuckBigTech347@lemmygrad.ml
        4·
        2 years ago

        Ironically some games actually run better with WINE+DXVK on GNU/Linux than natively on Windows. This is true especially if you have an AMD graphics card, since the amdgpu driver in the Linux Kernel is optimized better than the proprietary one that you have on Windows.

  • whoami@lemmygrad.ml
    92·
    2 years ago

    There is a linuxmasterrace sub…it’s kind of dumb and there is some luke smith/distrotube fanbois there. Sometimes it has good content.

    I don’t think Microsoft would take the time to make anti-linux reddit accounts. MS contributes to linux, and utilizes Linux for things like WSL and (I believe) Azure.

    • FuckBigTech347@lemmygrad.ml
      8·
      2 years ago

      Yes on the Azure Servers they use their own Linux distro CBL-Mariner.

      Let me tell though, their “contributions” to the Kernel don’t mean much if you aren’t a Microsoft fanboy who uses their shit.

      I used to hang out on the linuxmasterrace sub all the time. It was pretty neat. Discussions about tech and linux. People helping each other. People posting pictures of their achievements, the occasional meme, etc. Then really suddenly it blew up for some reason and more people started streaming in and of course the place went to shit. They started posting cringy “I use arch btw.” memes. Eventually this and people simping for various YouTubers/Influencers made me leave.

      Years later I thought I’d check again, one of the first things I see with thousands of upvotes: A meme about “I use arch btw.”.

      I secretly hope that somewhere here on lemmy we can have a community that was like linuxmasterrace 6-7 years ago.

      • whoami@lemmygrad.ml
        1·
        2 years ago

        I’ll take your word for it re: the contributions to the kernel from MS

        But re:linuxmasterrace, just because it devolved to memes about arch linux doesn’t mean that MS is behind it. Arch is a popular distro, and that entire community (linuxmasterrace) isn’t there for discussion, it’s there for low effort posts and memes.

        • FuckBigTech347@lemmygrad.ml
          3·
          2 years ago

          Where am I saying that MS is behind it? All I’m saying is that in my experience linuxmasterrace used to be better than it is right now.

          • whoami@lemmygrad.ml
            1·
            2 years ago

            not you, the OP says “I wonder if Microsoft are making anti-Linux accounts to try and hamper Linux.”

      • whoami@lemmygrad.ml
        3·
        2 years ago

        I don’t know that there is something specifically wrong with him, it’s just that in my head there is a venn diagram where luke smith and DT viewers come together

  • naeve@lemmygrad.ml
    5·
    2 years ago

    Windows power users who have 20K hours in Windows will use linux for 30 days and complain that they aren’t able to perfectly administrate their system.

    They learned windows so long ago they forgot about the learning curve, and they simply can’t be bothered to learn how to use a new-OS.

  • Kind_Stone@lemmygrad.ml
    77·
    2 years ago

    Why would Microsoft make anti-Linux accounts? Don’t turn into weird anarchos or whatever. Linux is not as large nor has the advantages to turn over Windows. Microsoft do not need to hamper something that has no chance to begin with.

    • bobs_guns@lemmygrad.ml
      6·
      2 years ago

      Regardless of whether they need to hamper it they have done so in the past. Look up the Halloween documents