I myself am of the opinion they are revisionist and patsoc shits, but I dont blame cpusa members. By far we need to build a party so CPUSA 2036 kind of makes sense. I dont like how patsocs support that as well. Though cpusa 2036 is about building a party, which means kicking out revisionism, opportunism and other reactionary deviationist lines. I dont like cpusa because of cops, but with a bit of purging and then growth, focus on actual revolution instead of “Bill of rights socialism.” It could work.
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I think both but Cpusa still as a party line doesn’t support land back or new afrika.
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“Patsocs” in general do not appeal to America as a nation. Several “patsocs” ive followed (Caleb Maupin, Infrared, Jackson Hinkle, TheFlameOfLiberation) recognize and condemn the extreme evils that founded the USA like genocide of natives and slavery and reject the notion that the USA is a nation. The USA isnt a nation, rather its an amalgamation of different peoples and nations created by colonialism, they say. They recognize the national liberation struggle of the black and american indigenous nations. Their patriotism towards America isnt patriotism towards the reactionary idea of America and the Founding Fathers. Rather, its a patriotism towards the working peoples and nations that inhabite the USA, and the progressive history of the USA. People like John Brown and Eugene Debs, great american progressive figures, are held in high esteem by “patsocs”.
This slander campaign against “patsocs” has to stop. You dont have to agree with them on everything, and its perfectly fine to criticize their incorrect positions. But to say that they should be excluded from the communist movement is outrageous! They are marxist leninists. They are antiimperialists, they support China, Russia, Iran, Cuba, Syria, DPRK, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Bolivia, etc. I think thats more than enough to call them comrades. We are in an environment where most people are openly calling for war against Russia and China. A united antiimperialist front is needed, and i think “patsocs” deserve a place in it just like any other antiimperialist.
And no, before the accusations come, im not an “american chauvinist/supremacist”. Im not american, not even anglo. Im from Spain and english isnt my native language. I feel 0 patriotism or admiration for the USA. I dont agree with everything “patsocs” say. I do agree though that a united antiimperialist communist front is gravely needed nowadays. Which is why we should look for common agreements with “patsocs” (and trust me, we agree with them way more than we disagree), and not look for divergent views. Sure, constructive criticism is fine and important, but shunning and rejecting them from the movement is wrong. Its time for a united antiimperialist front.
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Caleb is 100% not a rightist. Just watch his youtube channel, hes outspoken about LGBT rights and liberation for the black and indigenous nations. When they say they are against “land back”, they arent saying that indigenous people arent oppressed or dont deserve their land back. What they are saying is that “land back” is an incorrect solution to the problem. Rather, they propose land reform to solve the problem, redistribution of land from the rich white bourgeoisie to poor proletarians, which ofc includes blacks and natives. I personally support land back and disagree with their position, but its important to actually understand what they are really saying because its often misrepresented by morons in the debate bro scene.
Haz does have certain rightist positions (mainly relating LGBT struggles and weird shit he says about “degenerates” which i really dont understand). Nevertheless, he is a committed marxist leninist and antiimperialist and is very well read, he knows a lot about marxism. He 100% did not say the USA is socialist, i can guarantee you that. He also does not support the republicans. Its true that he supported Trump in the 2016 election, but that was the right move imo. Trumps platform claimed to be antiwar, and the alternative was fkin Hillary Clinton. In the end Trump turned out to be an establishment sellout, which is why Haz doesnt support him anymore. He especially despises him due to him ordering the criminal assassination of Qassem Soleimani. Its true though that he supports certain antiwar libertarian republicans like Rand Paul, but thats just because of antiimperialism, and i think its the right choice. If the USA were to withdraw its worldwide military bases and stop all these wars, as Rand Paul and other republicans propose, it would be a good thing for everyone, especially the global south. Also reminder that Haz is arab (he is lebanese), so to say that hes a white supremacist is ridiculous.
I used to be a fan of Infrared, and I used to think that he had potential and he was just somewhat misguided but his heart and mind were probably in the right place.
Then he started spouting off alt-reich rhetoric about “soyboys” and “real communists are conservative”, then he sneered at landback (in a non-marxist sense) and denied that the U.S. was built on genocide and then called the Mughal empire “socialist” and I grew sick and tired and angry at him as his bootlicking fanbase started to worship him and agree with his alt-reich talking points and him being critical of actually existing socialism.
Haz is a grifter and a reactionary in disguise and a cracker pos.
Try PCUSA.
Have you heard much about the PLA?
Like inside the party? No. Otherwise, yes I know of the People’s Liberation Army.
My bad. I meant to say PSL - Party for Socialism and Liberation.
PSL is the party in this country imo, for multiple reasons. Unlike in CPUSA or DSA, paying dues but never showing out is not enough to consider oneself a cadre. Political education is a top priority and they’re constantly doing important work all across the country. If there’s a major protest or event going on, PSL is either there in solidarity or helping orchestrate it.
Ntm their impressive presence online… if you listen to anti-imperialist or Marxist media, you’ve probably run into PSL affiliates like Empire Files, Breakthrough News, Redacted Tonight, or The Socialist Program with Brian Becker, all absolutely 10/10 as well.
If you’re looking for a serious party, I’d recommend them 100%. The only criticism leveled at them that isn’t 100% pernicious lying is the accusation that the work they do can cause burnout. It’s an unfortunate reality of how serious they take organizing more than anything, and they’ve seemingly grown more accomodating to taking breaks and the like.
This server has several PSL members also. But really any party is good, ppl shound join whatever’s active in their city.
I actually came across them through The Socialist Program with Brian Becker. Someone posted an episode on here a few weeks back. I was really impressed and have been listening nonstop ever since.
Side note, the US needs a liberation army.
For real!
But…I’ve read back in the fifties 10% of the members were being paid by the FBI to spy on the other 90%. True most of those people are dead but they probably hired new ones.
