On Feb. 24, 2022, I—Vladimir Putin—sent troops into Ukraine to conduct a special military operation. As the president of Russia, I obviously expected resistance from leaders of certain key world powers, but I must say I’ve been surprised at how the United States, specifically, has reacted.
  • southerntofu
    71·
    3 years ago

    LOL thanks for sharing. Glad to see a piece that fairly denounces both empires for their bullshit, and does it in a funny way at that!

    • ster
      4·
      3 years ago

      Precisely. Some people are way too eager to support one side simply because they hate the other.

  • Ora
    65·
    3 years ago

    Actually, what am I saying? It’s not like you’ve intervened. You haven’t established a no-fly zone, and you’re certainly not going to let Ukraine into NATO. The most you’ve done is send weapons, which only prolongs this. So maybe you do love it?

    TRUE. Can we stop pretending like weapons will fucking solve this?

    • ster
      99·
      3 years ago

      Letting the Russian government oppress Ukraine won’t solve this either. We’d all prefer no fighting, but fighting is better than letting Russia bully their way.

      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
        78·
        3 years ago

        There is no scenario here where Ukraine can win against Russia. All this does is prolongue the suffering of the people there. The only ethical thing to do is to help find a diplomatic solution and encourage negotiations. Unfortunately, western powers have been doing the opposite of that encouraging Ukraine to continue fighting and sending weapons.

        The reality is that the west doesn’t actually care about the people of Ukraine, and just wants to use them as pawns to drag Russia into a prolonged conflict there. It’s a ghoulish thing to do.

        • ster
          115·
          3 years ago

          If the Russian government believes it can just roll tanks into any neighbouring country as it fancies, cheaply and quickly, confident that the citizens of that country will surrender happily and have their freedoms taken away from them, they will start more wars and claim more territory.

          In war, there are mainly losers. It’s true Ukraine cannot win this war, but at this point, nor can Russia. Russia doesn’t even have enough soldiers to hold the entire country of Ukraine at this point, and maintaining control over any territory it captures will be expensive. That’s why they are focussing on capturing the Donbas region so they can claim victory and gain territory without losing face.

          • ster
            91·
            3 years ago

            We have to take into consideration that if Russia did annex Ukraine, it would likely lead to extreme amounts of sufferring anyway - possibly including civil war, insurgency etc. that could go on for decades.

          • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
            29·
            3 years ago

            You appear to be woefully misinformed about this war. You’ll get a better idea of how it’s going in a month or so.

            • ster
              52·
              3 years ago

              It’s very likley that in a month or so Russia will have achieved some of their new targets in the east of the country. But this will not come cheaply and they will have lost more than they stand to gain.

              • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
                24·
                3 years ago

                Here’s what was officially said on March 5th, I’m not aware of any change in their position since. So, not sure what these new targets you speak of are.

                I’m also curious what you’re basing the statement that they will have lost more than they stand to gain on. They see NATO as an existential threat, and pushing NATO out of Ukraine for good is what they wanted to gain all along.

                • ster
                  4·
                  3 years ago

                  Russian forces have withdrawn from most areas in the north of Ukraine, presumably to be redeployed in the east of the country.

                  War is not cheap, and nor are the sanctions that have been placed on Russia. That’s the cost. And what will Russia get in return? NATO has not changed at all, it’s not clear that Russia’s unprovoked assault has done anything on that front except possibly make Finland and Sweden seek to join the block. In fact, NATO now poses even more of a threat because they can use the invasion as an excuse to justify whatever warmongering shit they desire.

                  Ukraine may not join NATO, sure, but that’s hardly a win because Ukraine is unlikely to have a pro-Russia government in the near future (probably in Vlad’s lifespan). Installing such a government was clearly the goal of the assault on Kyiv.

      • Ora
        36·
        3 years ago

        Did you read the part I quoted? There’s a lot that could be done to disable the Russian government instead of just trying to prolong the war.

        • sexy_peach@feddit.de
          73·
          3 years ago

          So you want Ukraine to join NATO now? Or establish a no fly zone which means NATO war with Russia??

          Sorry I live in Germany I value my life and non-radioactive city.

          I am pro sending weapons though, Ukraine seems to want them.

          • Ora
            45·
            3 years ago

            Holy fuck, obviously Russia isn’t going to try and single-handedly take on all of NATO. They’d have to back off which is why the US is sending weapons instead of deescalation, because “defense” and weapons is one of the biggest drivers of the US economy.

            • guojing
              28·
              3 years ago

              This is so funny because Russia has the most advanced military in the world. Particularly hypersonic missiles, which the u.s. wont have for years. And working missile defense systems.

              • pingveno
                61·
                3 years ago

                What are you even talking about? The US has far superior armed forces as this conflict has shown. Russia couldn’t even achieve a victory over a much smaller, weaker neighbor. And the US isn’t years off from hypersonic weapons. It just did a test run last month.

                • guojing
                  13·
                  3 years ago

                  Russia destroyed the UAF as an organized fighting force during the first day with standoff weapons alone. And Russia did test runs of hypersonic weapons years ago, they are already deployed with frontline units.

          • guojing
            27·
            3 years ago

            The elensky regime wants weapons, but the people who get terrorized by war crimes certainly dont. They are even giving out weapons to released prisoners and to people in the street. Many of those will end up on the black market, or in the hands of terrorists targeting Europe.

        • ster
          3·
          3 years ago

          I think I might have gotten mixed up as to what parts are ironic and what parts aren’t