Not going to happen
I so badly want this to happen, but it’s not going to happen
“We put all our politicians in prison as soon as they’re elected. Don’t you?” “Why?” “It saves time.” -Terry Pratchett, The Last Continent
After the election results and looking at Elon for past few months, I’m starting to think Trump isn’t the problem. It won’t matter if he stays or not. USA has got bigger knives in it’s chest.
STARTING to think? Honestly I don’t even hate Trump anymore. It’s like hating a shark or a snake or something. He’s just doing what he does. It’s the ~75 million people who enable him by voting for him that are disgusting and terrifying right now. Half of America is the problem, and he is just a symptom, and it is a BIG BIG BIG problem for the whole world.
I’ve been trying to fathom the amount of misinformation out of here that has accumulated in people’s minds. There are people that I know and love, otherwise intelligent good people, that are thankful that Trump got elected. They believe that everything wrong with America and the world is due to “the Democrats”. And they’ve been that way since before 04.
There are also people I know (many of whom are relatives) who seem like normal people but then support Trump and all of his policies. I want to think they’re not horrible people and that they’re just brainwashed, but recently I’ve been seeing some of my friends jump on the alt-right bandwagon and posting extremely racist stuff to be “edgy”, even after leaving the far-right culture bubble they lived in. This is the sort of stuff that even when I was still a conservative I would never have thought it would be okay to promote, and I grew up in the same environment they did so it seems like they know perfectly well what they’re doing. After all of this I’m starting to think that maybe many of them are genuinely terrible people.
I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately. Recently I looked up what has been going on in various European countries, and it seems like with a lot of them there’s an extreme populist party with about 20% control, there’s a less extreme party that’s still queerphobic and anti-abortion but more willing to compromise with maybe about 15% control, and then there’s more liberal but economically conservative parties parties making it so the total of economically conservative parties including the above two is above 50%. These countries also have actual progressive and even some left-wing representation in government.
Contrast this with the US, which only has a populist party and a socially liberal but economically conservative party that a bunch of people are brainwashed to think is literally communism. There is very little progressive representation even though the country has a significant number of progressives, and people who want less government regulations are voting Republican regardless of their stances on social issues. Meanwhile polls say that opposition to LGBTQ rights and abortion is probably around 30% which is not much different than the European countries I looked at. So I think half the problem is that democracy in the US is basically dysfunctional.
However, 30% opposition to LGBTQ and abortion rights is still fucking bad, and I’m still trying to figure out whether it is the propaganda to blame or the people themselves. Additionally racism and xenophobia had been on the rise everywhere and has basically gained popular support at this point so democracy clearly isn’t going to solve this.
This.
We have an absolutely wrecked educational system that nobody can think anymore. People have either working lives that occupy them 99% of the time and they can’t make informed decisions, or are suffering from 10-second attention-spans and can’t focus on any political messages past “I am the greatest, vote for me” and the fact that is the literal message that won an election, should terrify us all.
If we have a really big challenge, like a novel new virus or disease, in our current state with our current leaders, millions would di- oh, wait, what? I’m being told this already happened.
Well, if something else really bad happens then we’ll have similar or worse causalities.
Fix the 99% working lives. If Dems can’t get us a living wage back, what the hell are they good for?
Yeah you can absolutely forget about any meaningful climate change action now, education, health care, things like that.
The environmental impacts are going to be awful. With Chevron stripped and full gop legislative control it’s going to be free reign for companies to pollute whatever they want.
A false flag to enable emergency powers blessed upon the worst of us all.
Interesting.
When a rich man is sentenced to prison, and then actually has to go to prison, it’s called a “legal loophole”.
My first thought was “So we call ‘following the law’ a loophole now?”
If the law meant a fucking thing, he would have been in prison decades ago.
WHY did it take this long to get around to it? So bizarre.
In a word: Garland.
In two words: Merrick Garland
In three words: fucking Merrick Garland
In four words: fucking Merrick “Slowclown” Garland
In five words: establishment hack as attorney general.
'The voters are going to reject him and then we don’t have to go through all this messy business if prosecution."
It’s the moral elevation of inaction for its own sake above action for any reason.
This country will never, ever prosecute a president because it would set a precedent of holding our politicians accountable. Ain’t happening. We’ve all been watching Pelosi do insider trading for decades.
Except he’s already been prosecuted and found guilty. This is the sentencing. Now the question is will New York state sentence and imprison him before he takes office.
He’s just not going to show up and will stay in FL till after inauguration. If you think they’re going to hold politicians to the same standard as you and me you’re incredibly naïve.
It’s gonna be interesting because we are clearly at a level of manipulation where the sheer act of being held accountable will 100% be called persecution. From here on out any attempt to hold a politician accountable will be met with resistance and end up being theatre.
As reprehensible as it is morally, Congresscritters can STILL legally trade based on their insider info they get from their Congresscritter jobs. So there’s really no crime to prosecute. There SHIOULD be, but there isn’t.
Politicians doing insider trading is not limited to Pelosi, and somehow not illegal. At least Congress has more ethics standards than courts, but it’s an extremely low bar and unreasonable to be held to such lower standard than the rest of us
The “somehow” isn’t a big leap… The people who would have to outlaw it are the exact ones benefitting from the broken status quo, same as it ever was.
Insider trading is actually legal for congress though. You’re point is valid for systemic issues but this specific one boils down to the individuals involved. There is no precedent for this, no one can really say the judge did anything improper. It would likely be a boon for the governor in a blue state and who knows the DA ambitions.
I’m mostly making counterpoints than a prediction though. I still don’t think anything major will happen.
Yes, the second most pressing concern in everyone’s lives after a second Trump term—Nancy Pelosi’s husband
No one is saying that. It’s just blatant corruption in front of the entire country for everyone to see.
Hey, you drew the comparison. The whole world of corrupt US politicians to choose from. Don’t like the conclusion people draw when they read exactly what you’ve written? Just write something else lol
I’m concerned about Pelosi’s husband! Didn’t he get attacked by a dude with a hammer? I wouldn’t wish that on anyone
Faaallllseee equivalennnnnceeee
Yeah fucking right. Jesus Christ. We need to just accept that it’s over. He’s never going to face any consequences and NY is not sending anyone to the White House to drag him out…
Realistically probably not. However it’s best to not give up hope and call out those who aren’t enforcing the law.
If there’s enough fuss it’ll go down in history as straight up corruption instead of some squabble of technicalities.This is what the law is. It’s never applied to rich pale bros.
What about orange pieces of shit?
Survey says no
…or rich pale chicks…or rich bros that aren’t pale…or rich chicks that aren’t pale…really the being rich is the important part. Let’s you buy good lawyers and also judges or legislators if you need to.
not with that attitude, get out on the streets already
But (as a European) it would be funny tho
Yea when hes dead, Redditors will go “We should resurrect trump to torture him”. 🤣
For the shit he’s done, they wouldn’t be wrong.
So you’d resurrect hitler and risk him escaping taking control of the world again just for the chance of satisfying your urges to inflict harm? Hell nah, let dead pieces of shit stay dead.
Fun to think about, but I can promise that Trump will never see consequences for his actions. Everything just miraculously slides right off of him.
Like a convcted felon president elect is going to give 2 shits about new york, or laws in general.
He’ll get a judge to pause all this shit until later. A good lawyer knows the law, a great lawyer knows the judge.
A great Russian Mafia knows the judge’s and prosecutor’s kids 🔪
And where the nearest window is when they refuse the tea
Yeah, he’ll just get his 6/3 Supreme Court majority to rule that the president is also immune to state crimes like they already ruled for federal crime.
LegalEagle on YouTube says it’s basically done. He will never see jail.
First presidential act from prison: kill the judge. Second: de himself regardless of law.
Every time there’s talks about it I think about The fall of the house of Usher
He’ll just stay out of New York until his coronation
Cheat codes
That’s 100% not going to happen. As much as it should.
Well NY can certainly sentence him, and he can potentially serve a custodial sentence. But I suspect that even if the judge handed him time in prison it wouldn’t be four years and would almost certainly be appealed or delayed to be mostly irrelevant. But I would dearly, dearly, DEARLY love to see this asshole go to prison and preferably never come out.
Can he pardon himself?
As I understand it, this is a state case where he can’t. Federal pardon powers extend only to federal cases.
From federal crimes yes.
That’s wild that you can just pardon yourself. I’m pretty sure that kind of thing was even in the Magna Carta ages ago but it’s a thing still in 2024
It’s wild the president can pardon anyone. It completely bypasses the legal system and gives the executive branch too much power.
Yeah, the whole idea of having a president, and not a king, is that they are not above the law too. We saw how that idea was ensured by the supreme court.
I’m convinced that even on the stuff we know and has been proven in court about Trump, would have been enough to dethrone a European monarch, possibly violently, back in the 1800s, but Trump’s supporters and most of the u.s just allows it and roll with it in 2024
I mean, it is fun to joke about. However, I doubt it. Even as late at the 19th century monarchs were blatantly having rivals imprisoned, and executed. Having large groups of people just rounded up and imprisoned, and/or killed, were stealing large amounts of wealth from the tax payers, and just so, so, much shit. They only really ever found themselves suffering legal consequences when other aristocracy decided they needed to go, or that someone else would be better. That, or if material conditions go so bad widespread revolt broke out, and mob justice was served.
He can for J6 and the documents case. But not for this or the Georgia case.
Only even hypothetically for federal crimes. State crimes aren’t federal jurisdiction and he has no pardon power over them. Usually pardon power over state crimes is in the hands of the governor.
I’d bet either just fines, a suspended sentence or if there is a custodial sentence that it will explicitly be delayed not to begin until Jan 21, 2029. Pretty sure there’s something somewhere about not being able to use law enforcement powers to interfere with the ability of Congress/the Presidency/SCOTUS to do their appointed jobs. Otherwise the Chief of the Capitol Police would be the most powerful legislator in the country, by simply holding legislators he opposes for questioning any times there’s an important vote.
I’d assume any sentence for time to serve would be suspended until after his term.
That said, it would be very funny to be in a time where the US President could not visit certain states because he would be arrested.
The cope is strong here.
Its stronger on reddit. Front page is filled with “Biden should resign and make Kamala the first woman president to ‘break the glass barrier’” and “Biden should appoint Kamala Harris to the supreme court” and “Biden shoud make an official act to do X”.
I mean. Rationally speaking, shouldn’t Biden do something extreme at this moment?
This is one core problem Kamala had. Her message was “Donald Trump is a Nazi,” yet the entire Biden administration never treated him like some existential threat to Democracy.
You know all those hypotheticals about killing Adolf Hitler? Notice how no one ever discusses the legality of killing Hitler? It’s all discussions of temporal mechanics or the ethics of punishing someone for a crime before they commit it. No one ever says, “no, you obviously shouldn’t kill Hitler before he comes to power, as that would have been against German law.”
Realistically, if Kamala’s rhetoric is factual, Biden should have had Trump arrested on day one of his term, charged in a military tribunal for treason, and convicted and sentenced before the first 100 days were complete. The debate should have been whether to give Trump the death penalty, not whether he had presidential immunity. And what about the Supreme Court? What ABOUT the Supreme Court? Did the Allies give much credence to whatever bullshit rulings the Nazi courts issued? Trump should have been pounded into the dirt, and any SCOTUS justices who dared to intervene should have been charged as accomplices. And anyone remotely involved in the plot should have been similarly purged from civil society. We should have seen hundreds, maybe even thousands, of life sentences.
THAT is how you respond to a threat to democracy. You find absolutely everyone involved and throw the book at them. You move quickly and run roughshod over normal judicial procedure. Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus and imprisoned people for running pro-Confederate newspapers. That is what you have to do in times where democracy is truly threatened.
Does Biden actually believe Trump is literally another Adolf Hitler? Then logically, if that is literally true, then Biden should order the military to take him out. Hell, he should do whatever is necessary, upend the entirety of American democracy, become a full dictator if need be. Better a centrist dictator than a Fascist one. In other words, if Trump is literally Hitler, than Biden should be acting right now like our hypothetical time traveler.
The debate should have been whether to give Trump the death penalty,
Bingo.
The problem, I believe, is that most Democrats are institutionalists who will defend the rule of law even when it means handing the reigns over to a group who have openly declared hostility towards it. They are also afraid that using any kind of force to stop Trump and his cronies will trigger violent rebellion and they know who owns most of the guns in this country. They’re playing a trolley problem game but because they don’t really have progressive values they aren’t putting, say, Ukraine, Palestine and the entire fucking climate on the “peaceful transfer of power” track.
We need a party with higher values than just “defending institutions.”
Unfortunately Biden is a huge fucking pussy who brags about have cookouts with Nazi simps
In response to a post highlighting examples of pointless, hyperbolic copium, this guy walks in and says, “hold my beer” and then advocates for Biden to (“logically”) launch a cruise missile at Mar-a-Lago. OMG I’m dying 🤣
“Logically” in the sense that this is the actual logical response, if you take the Biden/Harris rhetoric at face value.
I mean, maybe if you yourself are a Nazi, then you see nothing wrong with letting Nazis in power. But for sane people, if you actually believe someone to be Hitler, then you should do whatever is necessary, damn the law and Constitution, to keep them out of power.
The point is not that this is objectively what Biden should do now. The point is that it is IF you assume Harris’s rhetoric is correct, then flagrantly violating the Constitution to keep him out of power is something that should be done. However, realistically, Trump is someone more like Orban or Putin. He does seek to degrade democracy, deport a lot of people, and purposefully immiserate targeted minority groups, but he’s not likely to get the Zyklon B off the shelf any time soon. He’s a monster, but realistically probably not quite at the level of someone like Hitler.
And this is the problem Harris had in the campaign. If you run on a campaign of “my opponent is Hitler,” the voters will rightfully ask, “well, why hasn’t your administration already turned him into a fine mist?” You don’t put Hitler on trial. You kill Hitler. Running on “my opponent is Hitler,” when you haven’t treated him like you logically should treat Hitler, shows you really don’t believe your own rhetoric.
You’re doing a bit of a strawman.
“My opponent is a fascist” =/= “My opponent is Hitler”
Did Harris talk about Trump being a literal copy of Hitler who will genocide millions of people in death camps, or did she assert he’s a fascist and a very real threat to democracy?
Because your rhetoric really only works if you know for a fact that Trump is a literal Hitler. We all know him to be a literal autocrat though.
flagrantly violating the Constitution to keep him out of power is something that should be done
So break democracy to save democracy? Ends justify the means? Hindsight is 2020, so if someone tossed you in a timemachine and you found yourself in the 1920’s, you could have the confidence to actually kill Hitler without any qualms, because you’d know what would happen. But no-one has that. We can confidently say Trump is a demented child-rapist who will fuck shit up and make things worse for everyone except his oligarch friends (which very much includes Putin.) We don’t know how bad it’s gonna get, but it’s clearly a downhill the world is facing with a US president like that.
Because your rhetoric really only works if you know for a fact that Trump is a literal Hitler. We all know him to be a literal autocrat though
Lets see here… he’s constantly saying to mass deport all “illegal immigrants” and constantly demonizing them. Made statements about arresting all his poltical opponents, with miltary force if nessecary…
I dont know, i dont think the hitler guy every did any of those things…
Of course he did those things. He also breathed, shat and ate. Is everyone who breathes, shits and eats a Hitler?
I can name dozens of non-Hitlers who’ve done all the things you’ve said.
Did Harris run with “Trump is an actual Hitler” or “Trump is a dangerous fascist”?
Because if it’s the former, then rationally your argument is a strawman and needs to be amended before more rational conversation can take place.
Yes actually. The ends do justify the meansz and democracy should.be suspended for its own protection if necessary; which clearly it is. I’d go further, the whole republican party shouldve been purged. Paradox of tolerance and all that
🤣
I mean, the resigning one is way more possible/probable and less disruptive. It’d more be funny than anything, especially if his fans bought lots if “47th” merch, as they’d be supporting Harris
Imagine him resigning the day before Trump is sworn in so they’re totally not ready for it. Just to be extra dickish.
My lizard brain is all for the resigning thing. With the message being something about making a statement in the history books about the decision the public made in 2024. Mostly predicting the inevitable disaster of Trumps second term, just like his first term.
Higher brain thinks that’s just poking a bear though. Ugh. We’re fucked.
supreme court will toss all these out. Though it would be funny.
They literally couldn’t. But he isn’t getting that sentence anyways.
They will say that executive authority is impeded by any sentence and defer it at minimum
So build him a special jail so he isn’t impeded. Not that logic ever really mattered on planet earth.
NY was already probably going to give him a suspended sentence.
SCONY or SCOTUS? Unless SCOTUS rules the laws unconstitutional (which I doubt even they’d do), it’s not their place.
Don’t put anything past them.
This is state level, supreme court can’t do a thing. Then again, his Jesus cult could nuke New York or something, nothing would surprise me at this point.
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Step 1, appeal to supreme court. Step 2: go free.
Step 1.5: rot in solitary confinement in the meantime.
It’s not much, but it’s not nothing either.
Step 1.75 Epstein as a verb
Don’t joke about that, you get me excited.
That’s the plan, but it’s not clear how it’s going to work. There’s a question of why the Supreme Court of the United States would be allowed to address state crimes at all. Most of the time, they aren’t allowed to.
The answer to your question is “fuck you 6-3, laws for you, not for me!”
That does seem like a distinct possibility, and I don’t think it would make anything worse. It’s not like he is going to be locked up during the presidency, so if they do anything else to undercut attempts to hold him accountable, it only makes their reputation worse.
And if the US recovers, after several years or after many years, it’s good to have more information about exactly how f***** up that court was so we know what kinds of things we need to try to prevent from ever happening again. Do we need a constitutional amendment to prevent the court from accepting bribes? How about one that says the president can’t pardon themselves? How about one that says convicted felons can’t run for office? There are all sorts of constitutional amendments that we didn’t know we needed until this court came about. So please, let them deliver more to us, especially if it’s a situation like this where there wasn’t going to be justice anyway.
guys, this is dumb af. this is america. trump isn’t going to prison.
People who think trump is going to prison now are delusional.
That’s the whole point why they suspended sentencing till elections so to see who wins. He’s not getting sentenced now.
It’s a meme so of course it’s dumb. It’s also pretty funny.
Also then you put JD in charge…
Would he? Honest question I’m not sure how at would work if Trump was imprisoned or died before taking office.
https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-20/
In Section 3:
If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President.
Wouldn’t surprise me if the GOP martyred Trump, honestly. They can’t have him abdicate or remove him and have MAGA support, but if they could find a way to martyr him they would have their messiah and Thiel’s boy in place. The smart play would be to have him serve more than half of his term though, so Vance could have a shot at 10 years in the White House.
I figure they’ll wait until Jan 21, 2027 at which point Trump’s death/removal wouldn’t prevent Vance from serving an additional two full terms. Before than and it counts towards the two term limit for Vance.
I would go so far as to say that this has always ben the plan, at least this time around. I find it highly suspicious that Trump has been the target of assassination attempts by republicans twice (plus a foreign attempt on his life) already. We’re being prepared to accept this as expected when it finally happens, and it has to happen in order to give Vance the pretext to implement martial law and usher in the high-tech Handmaid’s Tale scenario his patrons want. Trump is their useful idiot; but useful only because he is populist and charismatic enough to get them in power via ordinary electoral process. Once they suspend that process entirely they no longer need him and in fact he becomes a liability; offing him kills two birds with one stone.
We (probably) don’t have a president-elect yet, only a presumptive one. The EC votes have been neither cast nor counted. The most likely point in time at which a candidate becomes president-elect is when the majority of the EC votes have been cast for that candidate, regardless of the counting and certification. Even though we use the term loosely for the assumed winner, the EC adds a layer of weirdness to the legal definition.
Yeah, but most states have the faithless electors thing sorted out already, the ones that don’t would probably quickly pass laws to bind them to the slate the voters chose.
What I’m saying is not about faithless electors. I never mentioned them, so I’m not completely sure what took you down that road.
There is a legal definition of the term “president-elect” that hasn’t entirely been sorted out. The most widely accepted view is that the candidate who has the majority of EC votes cast for them, regardless of whether those votes have been counted or certified, is legally the president-elect. The nuance to this is that any reference to the president-elect before EC votes have been cast is using the common term, not the legal one.
The distinction is mostly inconsequential, one major exception being the 20th amendment, which you cited previously. That particular usage is specifically the legal definition, which very likely has not been satisfied until the EC casts their votes. The outcome is that, if those who are meant to uphold the law have any interest in doing so, the 20th amendment does not yet apply, and the legal roles of president-elect and vice president-elect are currently vacant.
Thank you for sou g the leg work.
Judge might sentence him, but ACAB includes DoC, so he’d miraculously escape custody.
Didn’t Napoleon go to prison?
Napoleon was french, not American.
Citation needed.
You know how I know this is bullshit? Because even if Trump got the maximum sentence for each of his felony counts, which is three years of prison, they can all be served concurrently, so he would be out by November 2027 with more than a year left of his term.
If Judge Merchan proceeds with sentencing, Trump’s legal team will just appeal and push it back until after Jan 20th.
Nice wishful thinking, but Trump winning erased the chances of him ever being held accountable for his crimes against the American people. A majority of Americans felt like he should get away with all of it. On day one he will appoint a sycophant to the DOJ who will drop all of his federal cases, and the state cases will get paused because the President is immune from state prosecution while on office.
If anybody here wanted to see justice done, you should have shown up on the 5th.
so he would be out by November 2027 with more than a year left of his term
In the extremely unlikely event he was sent to prison for 3 years then Vance would immediately use it as an excuse to invoke the section 4 of the 25th and make himself president.
Then we’d have a reasonably competent person in the white house delivering Project 2025 instead of the incompetent asshole
Trump wouldn’t be delivering p25. He’s always been a puppet.
Like how this ends with blaming the voters
If he’s not convicted of anything he can’t pardon himself. Is there a statute of limitations on inciting an insurrection, or whatever ge was going to be charged with? Just pick up the case again in Jan 2025.
He won’t have to. He’ll just have his own DOJ appointee dismiss the federal cases against him. This will 100% happen on day one of his presidency. I have no doubt in my mind that he already has a person in mind for it and they will be his first appointment after his swearing in.
For the state cases, he doesn’t need to do anything, they won’t result in a sentencing verdict that can’t be appealed before he takes office, and the state courts cannot prosecute a sitting president.
The best case scenario is that the state cases that he can neither dismiss nor pardon himself for will resumed at the end of his term in January 2029. That’s a long fucking time to wait for justice, and even then, we won’t know if he will even serve time for it. The presiding judges could die or retire and sympathetic judges could be appointed in the meantime. The states could flip to be controlled by MAGA AGs and decide to drop the cases even while they are paused.
The likelihood of this guy seeing the inside of a jail cell before he dies is almost 0%.
Oh yeah, I meant 2029 instead of 2025. I know it’s a long time but I was hoping that without an actual verdict the case could be brought up again when (if) the criminals no longer run the justice system. I know some cases are dismissed with and without prejudice, so if there’s any way they can officially be legally/permanently dispensed with I know he’ll do it.
I guess the best we can hope for is for him to just die soon. Just keep on eating those hamberders
You can’t really prosecute a dictator for crimes when they control all of the branches of government.
crimes against the
American peoplepeople of New York.FTFY
Don’t know if you’ve ever been to NY, but they literally hate anyone that isn’t from NY. They used to LOVE Trump and his business practices. Call them shady if you want, but that used to bring in money for NY. Then he started making money in Florida and ran as a Republican. That pissed them off but good!
They aren’t doing this for the American people. They are doing this for themselves.
The hush money payments are not the only things he was being prosecuted for. Jan 6th, the Georgia RICO case, the classified documents case, etc. New York is not the only state that deserves justice.
Trump is and has always been a criminal. New York (my home state) just has the balls to actually bring him to court even if he slimes his way out of any real consequence. And believe it or not we dont hate outsiders. Just shady businessmen and people who dont pay their bills.
