In Polish high schools they seriously teach that Soviets were in the alliance with III Reich and that Stalin supposedly admired Hitler (if I recall correctly skimming through my sister’s book).
It goes deeper - they basically accuse the USSR of co-starting the World War II and other disgusting lies making communists look as bad or even worse than Nazis. It is formally approved as a school material and many if not most people unironically believe that the USSR was genocidal red-fascists empire.
Since propagating communism is illegal here, bookstores don’t print almost any good literature that would counter the state propaganda and the country exists in a capitalist fantasy bubble.
I was lucky enough to never trust educational system, but people who did are basically brain damaged now.
Sorry for chaotic style but I’m sleep deprived and I wanted to share this atrocity while I remember, I may share some more information tomorrow.
Right? Funding media is one thing and using state/academic authority to alter history is a whole another level of crime. I borrowed the book from my sister to transcribe the chapter about USSR, I might share it as a curiosity later this week.
There are few fragments straight from the official history textbook for secondary school in Poland:
After Lenin’s death and against his will, [Stalin] became General Secretary of the party. During his reign he eliminated all his political opponents and implemented in the country industrialization and collectivization. These measures, together with widespread terror policy caused millions victims in the USSR. In 1939 Stalin collaborated with Hitler’s Germany, which resulted in assault on Poland and division of it’s terrotiry.
(I bolded selected text by myself)
"Even so Stalin continuosly tried to rebuild close relations with [nazi] Germany, because both countries still had the same political interests. Soviet dictator was impressed by panache and efficiency of Nazi regime. Special impression supposedly made on him “Night of the Long Knives”, when Hitler murdered his opposition inside the party […]. Even during bitter competition, both totalitarian powers tried to create a common border, but main obstacle was existence of independent Poland.
Later on they write that both countries finally got to an agreement and launched a common assault on Poland, but Hitler supposedly betrayed Stalin and the alliance ended in 1941.
You can’t make this shit up. I mean, they made this up, but… 😆
If you disagree with this you can get prosecuted by The Institute of National Remembrance – Commission for the Prosecution of Crimes against the Polish Nation which should be named something like The institute of making up history and fighting communism or something.
The US based “history channel” has a big WW2 documentary that says Stalin was buddy buddy with Hitler until Hitler attacked the USSR and Stalin was taken by surprise. I believed it for years until I de-liberalled myself and learned real fucking history. The west is fucked.
I don’t recall this ever being mentioned in educational materials. I do recall my history schoolbook talking about Molotov-Ribbentrop “pact”, but never anything else. Not the Spanish civil war and who supported who there, not the many agreements between European countries and Nazis, nothing. IIRC it mentioned a “joint parade” between USSR and Nazis in Poland, though
YO! I know exactly what you tare talking about. I saw that same shit at some point (I think around the time it first aired), and it had honestly painted my understanding of the start of WWII badly. Especially because back then I didn’t care about learning anything about the Soviet front as they were also always spoken about as being basically the same as the Nazis. WWII is always about the US “saving the day” when talking just about the war and not the genocide elements. I even have cringe memories of parroting the “Stalin and Hitler were best buds, and that Stalin basically only ever really trusted Hitler which fucked him up when Hitler turned on him” shit. Though it is personal cringe as I never got any push back or ever corrected, thankfully I don’t think I really focused on it enough to bring up with many people. I am just glad that even one other person remembered seeing that shit to verify it being a real line of “educational material.”
This was back in the earlier days of the history channel I think. Before they got into the crazier shit. Back when it was the “WWII and tanks” channel.
Poland invaded the former Russian Empire during the russian civil war. It annexed large areas.
The USSR tried to revive the Entente for years, but was rebuffed by France, GB and the US. Partially because local fascists, partially because these nations had no real interest in a new entente, partially because Poland lobbied against the USSR.
Then the Munich conference happened. Previously the USSR was the only nation willing to military support Czechslovakia, but was denied military access by other countries to get there. Czechslovakia ceased to exist and was carved up by its neighbours.
This made it clear to the USSR that their dream of a new Entente had ended and the western capitalist nations wanted to direct germany eastwards against them. So they did two things:
Sign a non-agression-treaty with germany. As the last european state to do so. This lead Germany to move west first.
Offer Poland a defensive treaty. Poland denied, because of anti-soviet tendency and pro-german one.
So when Germany invaded Poland, the USSR did fuck all for two weeks. Then, after the polish government had left for exile, they moved to the territories Poland had annexed previously and occupied them. The Polish governments last order before exile were not to resist the Red Army.
Is the Hakenkreuz thing true? I was under the impression that the swastika was commonly used in Europe at the time as a symbol of “ancient wisdom” and of Europe’s “Aryan” past – especially by theosophists and the like. The Nazis simply adopted it because of its cultural resonance.
In Polish high schools they seriously teach that Soviets were in the alliance with III Reich and that Stalin supposedly admired Hitler (if I recall correctly skimming through my sister’s book).
It goes deeper - they basically accuse the USSR of co-starting the World War II and other disgusting lies making communists look as bad or even worse than Nazis. It is formally approved as a school material and many if not most people unironically believe that the USSR was genocidal red-fascists empire.
Since propagating communism is illegal here, bookstores don’t print almost any good literature that would counter the state propaganda and the country exists in a capitalist fantasy bubble.
I was lucky enough to never trust educational system, but people who did are basically brain damaged now.
Sorry for chaotic style but I’m sleep deprived and I wanted to share this atrocity while I remember, I may share some more information tomorrow.
That is just so incredibly sinister.
Right? Funding media is one thing and using state/academic authority to alter history is a whole another level of crime. I borrowed the book from my sister to transcribe the chapter about USSR, I might share it as a curiosity later this week.
There are few fragments straight from the official history textbook for secondary school in Poland:
(I bolded selected text by myself)
Later on they write that both countries finally got to an agreement and launched a common assault on Poland, but Hitler supposedly betrayed Stalin and the alliance ended in 1941.
incredible stuff
You can’t make this shit up. I mean, they made this up, but… 😆
If you disagree with this you can get prosecuted by The Institute of National Remembrance – Commission for the Prosecution of Crimes against the Polish Nation which should be named something like The institute of making up history and fighting communism or something.
Once the west finally collapses nothing of value will have been lost.
The US based “history channel” has a big WW2 documentary that says Stalin was buddy buddy with Hitler until Hitler attacked the USSR and Stalin was taken by surprise. I believed it for years until I de-liberalled myself and learned real fucking history. The west is fucked.
I guess when USSR and Reich supported opposite sides during Spanish civil war it was a clear sign of friendship or something.
That was just some socialist infighting. (just like the camps, or something IDK)
I don’t recall this ever being mentioned in educational materials. I do recall my history schoolbook talking about Molotov-Ribbentrop “pact”, but never anything else. Not the Spanish civil war and who supported who there, not the many agreements between European countries and Nazis, nothing. IIRC it mentioned a “joint parade” between USSR and Nazis in Poland, though
TFW even my somewhat lib history teacher told us that Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was to buy time to prepare for war.
That was the common understanding in the 2000s as far as I can recall.
YO! I know exactly what you tare talking about. I saw that same shit at some point (I think around the time it first aired), and it had honestly painted my understanding of the start of WWII badly. Especially because back then I didn’t care about learning anything about the Soviet front as they were also always spoken about as being basically the same as the Nazis. WWII is always about the US “saving the day” when talking just about the war and not the genocide elements. I even have cringe memories of parroting the “Stalin and Hitler were best buds, and that Stalin basically only ever really trusted Hitler which fucked him up when Hitler turned on him” shit. Though it is personal cringe as I never got any push back or ever corrected, thankfully I don’t think I really focused on it enough to bring up with many people. I am just glad that even one other person remembered seeing that shit to verify it being a real line of “educational material.”
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This was back in the earlier days of the history channel I think. Before they got into the crazier shit. Back when it was the “WWII and tanks” channel.
So… What did happen in Poland then?
Was there an agreement to carve it up between USSR and Nazi Germany, or not?
Poland invaded the former Russian Empire during the russian civil war. It annexed large areas.
The USSR tried to revive the Entente for years, but was rebuffed by France, GB and the US. Partially because local fascists, partially because these nations had no real interest in a new entente, partially because Poland lobbied against the USSR.
Then the Munich conference happened. Previously the USSR was the only nation willing to military support Czechslovakia, but was denied military access by other countries to get there. Czechslovakia ceased to exist and was carved up by its neighbours.
This made it clear to the USSR that their dream of a new Entente had ended and the western capitalist nations wanted to direct germany eastwards against them. So they did two things:
So when Germany invaded Poland, the USSR did fuck all for two weeks. Then, after the polish government had left for exile, they moved to the territories Poland had annexed previously and occupied them. The Polish governments last order before exile were not to resist the Red Army.
why did the ussr invade finland?
Finland was nazi, it’s where the nazis got their hakenkreuz from
Is the Hakenkreuz thing true? I was under the impression that the swastika was commonly used in Europe at the time as a symbol of “ancient wisdom” and of Europe’s “Aryan” past – especially by theosophists and the like. The Nazis simply adopted it because of its cultural resonance.