Probably Wayne Gretzky? I don’t even know anything about ice hockey and I know he’s supposed to be the most dominant player of any sport. Like he and his brother have the record for highest combined goals of any pair of brothers: 2,857 by Wayne, 4 by Brent. If you take away all his goals, he’d be the highest scoring player of all time on assists alone. There have been 13 times when a player has scored over 100 goals in a season in NHL history: Lemieux (once), Orr (once), and Gretzy (eleven times in a row). He retired last century and still holds 57 records. I’m not gonna keep picking out examples but there’s a bunch more facts like this that sound like the old “chuck norris facts” meme but are actually true.
“If you don’t know anything about ice hockey why do you have all these facts on hand?” - I remembered seeing this kind of list before so I did a quick Google.
Edit: I’m seeing some different exact figures for some of these, but the general principle stands and I’m not invested enough in hockey facts to nail down which numbers are exactly right.
If outlier status as a sportsman makes the GOATest GOAT, sorry Gretzky, but you’re second to the Don. Sir Donald Bradman averaged 99.94 in a 20 year career as a test cricket batsman. This is in a sport where only 4 other people even pass 60, and no other passes 62. Bradman even averaged 56 in a series where the opponents create a now-banned strategy specifically to thwart his dominance.
At more than 50% above number 2, the Don is the GOATest GOAT.
What was the strategy?
It’s what was known as “bodyline”, or “fast leg theory”. In essence, bowling in a way that the ball is bowled at speeds potentially in excess of 140 km/h aimed at the batsman’s upper body or head. It makes it very hard to hit the ball, and if you do hit it, it drastically reduces the types of shots you can play and increases the chance that you only get an edge on the ball. So setting a field with a large number of fielders on the leg side (the left side for a right-handed batsman), particularly leg slips (behind and slightly to the leg side, basically forming an arc away from the wicket keeper), to greatly increase the chance of getting them out caught. It also posed a safety risk, especially at the time because safety equipment like helmets were not worn at the time.
There’s a 1984 miniseries starring Hugo Weaving as the English captain, if you’re interested. I haven’t seen it myself, and tbh I’m not sure where if anywhere it’s available online, but its reviews seem very good.
The rules were eventually changed to limit the number of bouncers that could be bowled in one over, and to limit the number of fielders behind the batsman on the leg side.
If you take away all his goals, he’d be the highest scoring player of all time on assists alone.
This is true, but every other time you’ve used the word “goals” in this post it should be “points”, points = goals + assists. Every goal has at most two assists, but typically the ratio is around ~1.5 assists for every goal. As you say, Gretzky has the record for goals and then also has more assists than any other player has points, which is ludicrously dominant.
One of the most wild things to me is how boring Gretzky highlights are. If you look at highlight footage of the other generational hockey players - Lemieux, Ovechkin, Crosby, McDavid - these guys are insane athletes who are capable of outmuscling and embarrassing the opposition. Gretzky was not a freak athlete, he just had intuition for where to be on a better level than anyone else ever has. I remember reading that when he was eight he got an exception to play in a league for ten-year-olds and completely tore it up, like five points per game, in spite of being the tiniest kid on the ice every night.
It’s not even well documented what he was doing because the NHL typically had only one camera per game in the eighties, the one following the puck, and his dominance came from where he was going when he didn’t have the puck.
If you watch hockey, every so often there will be a game where a guy doesn’t particularly stand out, but then you look on the scoresheet at the end and realize he got four points. You think I guess that he had a good game tonight. I imagine watching Gretzky was this exact feeling, except then you realize you’re fifty games into the season and this is like the thirtieth time this has happened.
Ovechkin is actually in striking distance of breaking the goals record, but 50 goals (42? I don’t remember where he ended the season.) is a large number for anyone to hit past 38. It’s pretty rare for a player to be good enough to still have a roster spot by that point, let alone score 50 in the remainder of their career. Has anyone besides Howe (in the 1970s) scored over 40 goals after 38?
In any case, I’m hoping he can break it. Ten years ago literally no one thought a major Gretzky record could be even remotely in jeopardy. It was not something anyone would give serious consideration.
Abraham of Ur - greatest impact on the world of any schizophrenic in history with an impact that still affects billions a few millennia later.
My #1: All the no-name forgotten people that did the right thing and won’t be remembered for it. Ages of memorable names are the worst ages for average people. Like, ancient Egypt might seem impressive, except that it existed in a world that was far more egalitarian elsewhere. All that still exists came at the cost of those that lived with and built it. The true GOATest of GOATs is like the greatest of thieves; if you know their name, they weren’t the best. That is just my middle aged take.
I’d say that everyone (except those on north sentinel island) is affected by Abraham or Ur, not just those from abrahamic religions/regions where abrahamic religions are common. Right now there’s significant global tension because of a religious conflict between abrahamic religions (which affects global trade and geopolitics), and going back over the last half millennium, Christianity was a huge driver in colonialism. Basically everywhere has a seven day week with Saturday and/or Sunday as the common free day for limited service institutions (government/banking type places) too.
Albert Einstein:
- Invented the photon and discovered the photoelectric effect, which earned him a nobel prize.
- Discovered Brownian motion and proved the existence of particles and molecules.
- Created the theory of relativity, changing the way we think about space, time, energy, and matter.
Oh, and he released papers on all three of these groundbreaking discoveries in a single year. Dude was next level.
That person who ate the thing first.
Especially if they died and taught everyone else to not eat that thing.
And then Bill went ahead and ate it anyway, proving that he or it was goat.
Dissident voice: Noam Chomsky
The greatest of all time make changes to whatever game they are playing. Chomsky changes the realm of ideas. He questions narratives and provides damning evidence in support of his claims. His books reveal the inner workings of the Military-Industrial complex. He contests the positions of US Presidents of both parties. He follows the money, the use of language, and the differences between official fantasies and concrete realities. He raises others up, never sought fame, just did the hard work. Took all the heat that naysayers threw.
Read:
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Manufacturing Consent (1988)
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Hegemony or Survival (2003)
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On Palestine (2015), w/ Ilan Pappé
View:
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The Corporation (2003) - features Chomsky
Chomsky is the guy that said Ukraine should just surrender to Russia, right? Truly a great example of living king enough to become the villain, and not in a Batman way.
Right, because being America’s whipping boy (yeah, I said it) is really working out for Ukrainians.
America needs Ukraine to buy obsolete weapons now, use them against Russia’s current military capacity so that there’s real-world applications for next generation weapons. Also, all the strategies designed to contain a more militant Russia needed to be gamed out. Ukraine will be paying this war back for generations. Think Haiti’s reparations to France, but with bigger numbers.
A years-long conflict also “softens” Russia up for the next round of sanctions — maybe they’ll be effective this time!
Chomsky said, in effect, ‘Nope, that’s dumb’ (not a quote). Also, there were months and months of Russian build-up on the border. Before that, years of signals, comments, and overt actions showing that they are legit pissed that NATO came knocking. There should’ve been diplomacy, dialogue, deal making. ‘Nope, that’s dumb. War is profitable.’
NATO (read: USA) wasn’t about to be told who can be in their little club. Russia wasn’t about to be told that ICBMs would be parked on their doorstep. So, conflict.
So, what else has Chomsky said?
“the U.S. seems to be fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian, reiterating the conclusion of Diego Cordovez and Selig Harrison that in the 1980s the U.S. was fighting Russia to the last Afghan.”
"It is, surely, worthwhile to think seriously about the history of the past 30 years since Bill Clinton launched a new Cold War by violating the firm and unambiguous U.S. promise to Mikhail Gorbachev that “We understand the need for assurances to the countries in the East. If we maintain a presence in a Germany that is a part of NATO, there would be no extension of NATO’s jurisdiction for forces of NATO one inch to the east.”
"Those who want to ignore the history are free to do so, at the cost of failure to understand what is happening now, and what the prospects are for preventing “much worse.”
Sources: Chomsky.info and Truthout
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What a great question.
A few that come to mind. (In no particular order)
- Socrates and Aristotle - literally changed the way humanity as a whole thinks, their influence echoes thorough time their ideas are talked about 2500 years later.
- Marcus Aurelius - stoic philosopher and emperor, set the standard for what a great ruler could be, modern politicians have nothing on him.
- Albert Einstein - literally changed the way we look at the universe, overturned Newton and his theories have stood up to ever more precise tests.
- Linus Torvolds - the impact of the Linux kernel on computing cannot be overstated, from the smallest single board computers to the biggest most powerful supercomputers, all run Linux. The internet wouldn’t be the same without it.
- Johannes Guttenburg - inventer of the printing press, the wide dissemination of knowledge that directly stemmed from this invention changed the world.
- Alexander Fleming - discovered penicillin, finally gave humanity an effective weapon against bacteria, penicillin and it’s derivatives have saved billions of lives.
- Stanislav Petrov - Ignored the nuclear early warning system, which erroneously reported 6 launches from the US against the USSR. If he had followed protocol the resulting nuclear response would have triggered WWIII, he saved billions of people by not launching.
To those saying sports personalities, I doubt people will be talking about their achievements in couple of hundred years.
Edit: added Stanislav Petrov.
To those saying sports personalities, I doubt people will be talking about their achievements in couple of hundred years.
Gaius Appuleius Diocles the sport GOAT
Are people actually talking about what he did?
There are active fields of study that consider the ideas of Socrates, Aristotle, Marcus Aurelius, Einstein…
I am
Amen
the oldest Billy Goat Gruff, who knocked the troll off the bridge saving both his siblings
David Attenborough
Messi
He ain’t got nothing on Scott Sterling
Jack Churchill mf fought in WW2 with a longbow, a broadsword and bagpipes. His Wikipedia page is great worth a read :)
I’d say GOAT should be a Council of greats, like the Jedi Council but without the religious extremism and child soldiers. I’d like to nominate a couple for this council:
Wilt Chamberlain- go look up his records
Andre the Giant - his drinking records alone should put him on the Council, but reportedly he was a very nice person as well
Dolph Lundgren - he plays a meathead in Expendables movies, but he’s a legit genius, as well as a literally massive human
Steve Wozniak - he managed to build the PC despite Steve Jobs being a colossal dick
Saint Olga - she took vengeance and raised it to an art form
Me, obvs!
As the WOATest WOAT, I’ve got the other end on lock! We’re killing it, buddy!
Rocky Marciano. Never lost. Michael Jordan has strong claims. Aleksandr Karelin had an 887-2 record in Greco-Roman wrestling. Edwin Moses won 122 straight 400m hurdle races, setting 4 world records.
Dave of course. He knows everyone.
