I think judging by the posts on this instance, a lot of people here didn’t think that Russia would take military action against Ukraine. I was one of those people. Hell, even yesterday I wasn’t expecting to wake up to this. But I think it’s safe to say that that position was incorrect.
I’ve read opinions from communists on both sides now that it’s happened of whether the military action was justified or not, but it seems that few are reflecting on the fact that we were wrong about the prediction that there was not going to be military action. Personally, I’m very surprised that this happened. I’d be curious to hear your thoughts.
It’s really still difficult for me to have an opinion on it rn because I can’t tell what is true. What things are state department propaganda or Russian propaganda. I guess I still feel like the DPR and LPR should get independence and I’m sort of glad that there is some foreign intervention on their behalf because it sounded like they were being slaughtered by Ukrainian military before.
I don’t know that Russia had many more options but I hate that it came to this.
I feel a similar way. I think I have deliberately kept myself from learning the ins and outs of the conflict over the last years because of the language barrier in accessing original sources, as well as widespread disinformation and distorted framing of events on both sides of the conflict as well as unrest inside Ukraine.
For the past few weeks I was under the impression that the chance of an elevation of the Ukraine conflict was high, but would be limited, such as fighting around the Donetsk and Lugansk oblasts, and possibly Crimea. I was under the impression that Western and central European countries were too tied up with very corrupt aspects of Russia’s economy and too dependant on gas and liquid fuel trade with Russia and vice versa for an escalation to go as far as it has and is still happening. Another thought I had was that the prospect of conflict was exaggerated by the USA government (Ukraine said this at one point too if I recall correctly) and media, so that the military industrial complex would continue to prosper and arms companies who line the pockets of politicians would have an increase in their stock price and corporate worth. I didn’t think there would be bombs being targeted at airports in the west of Ukraine.
Whoever is to blame for the conflict or escalation of the conflict, civilians will suffer for it, and that riles me up.
I don’t know honestly. Going to wait and see. Hoping it stops escalating at some point soon.
The Fake News MSM has been spamming claims that multiple wars were going to start tomorrow for many years. It is natural to disbelieve those claims.
I still remember them repeatedly reminding everybody that military intervention was ‘on the table’ with regards to the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela. The Brazilian and Colombian governments even offered to participate.
Yeah the media sucks but the way you worded it makes you sound like an idiot.
How unprepared Ukraine was for this proves that they really had no idea what was going to happen, and weren’t betting on Russia taking military action.
I wasn’t expecting it to happen either, but it’s just the chickens coming home to roost. Let me make it clear I absolutely hate Putin, because apparently if you don’t equate him to Satan that makes you a Russian bot, but the people of Donetsk and Luhansk have every right to defend themselves from the fascists that are in the Ukranian government and military and if they need Russia’s help to do so, then so be it.
All of this could have been avoided if the US had minded its own business and Russia and Ukraine had implemented Minsk II.
No it could have been avoided if Ukraine never gave up their nukes.
My thoughts summarized:
And I’ll echo some others, I’m pretty much in wait and see mode. Some of my assumptions about this situation have been wrong, but I don’t feel much closer to any truth.
If the US makes wild claims, and I for the life of me cannot figure out why they would do that, that’s not a good enough reason to believe they’re lying. Thinking the the US govt is making quite specific predictions (which will make them look stupid if untrue) because they lost their mind is just plain bad analysis.
When the Americans are lying it’s usually for an easy to see reason and/or it’s way less easily disprovable.
Other than that it’s that Russia’s economic position must be better than I thought. They clearly think they can’t be sanctioned to shit.
Other than that it’s that Russia’s economic position must be better than I thought. They clearly think they can’t be sanctioned to shit.
My perception of this situation is that Putin has threatened something bizarrely overkill if they try. I don’t know if this means he intends to nuke Warsaw… how could he do anything comparable to that? So maybe something that big but sub-nuclear? If he attacked a European city with nerve gas, what would be the response to that? His enemies are unwilling to do all-out conventional war, they’d be unwilling to respond in kind, and to use nukes would then be them escalating it and not him.
Other than that it’s that Russia’s economic position must be better than I thought.
I think you misunderstand. Russia’s economic position is shit. But Putin doesn’t care about it. If instead you were to ask about Putin’s economic position…
It felt very unlikely and I still maintain that this was an unlikely outcome. We can speculate on what changed between before the start of the conflict and now, but all we can observe now is the outcomes. Reasonable speculation certainly should arise of any conflict on this scale due to MSM, as many others have said here. Ultimately now though speculation is near useless and it is more important to focus on the potential outcomes of this conflict.
The threat of open war is a constant parroted by anxious idiots on the internet and the media. I think we’re conditioned (at least I am) to see that states with interests confronted with those of the west are not really powerful enough yet to challenge their hegemony as directly as the Russians have done. Obviously, reality has moved on before us.
