If Reddit were to revert it’s changes to 3rd party apps would you stay on Lemmy or move back to Reddit?

    • MyNameIsFred@beehaw.org
      49·
      1 year ago

      I dont see most less technical users moving at all without some more UI maturity. The whole federated services thing is just a bit too abstract a concept for most. And right now its difficult to find/join communities outside your instance.

      • teawrecks@sopuli.xyz
        19·
        1 year ago

        The confusion seems unwarranted to me, though. It’s literally the same as email. Every time I discuss fediverse with people, all of their confusion stems from presumed complexity that doesn’t actually exist. The server they pick matters just as much as it does for their email. So the process is: create an account somewhere, and start interacting with communities. That’s it.

        • MyNameIsFred@beehaw.org
          12·
          1 year ago

          Right. Agree. But searching for communities, especially those outside your instance can be wonky. Finding communities and grouping like communities across instances is difficult as it currently sits. And it takes a bit of understanding how to search to find things.

          • dom@lemmy.ca
            5·
            1 year ago

            And the app for android doesn’t seem to let you search for and add new communities. It needs to be done from web browser from what I can tell

      • Adderbox76@lemmy.ca
        12·
        1 year ago

        I don’t think it’s too abstract for people. I think we’re all just really bad at explaining it to non-techies.

        When you move to a city, choosing the neighborhood you want to buy your house in doesn’t stop you from being able to drive around looking at others.

        It ain’t rocket science.

      • mustyOrange@beehaw.org
        2·
        1 year ago

        See my post history if the ui is bothering you. With Sylus browser add on, some very small ui tweaks make the site much easier on the eyes

      • Kempeth@feddit.de
        1·
        1 year ago

        I agree. The software needs a good amount of additional features and UI polish - particularly in the onboarding process - to be attractive to the broad masses.

        But the user numbers has doubled in the fediverse these last few days. If that translates into activity this could very well push a bunch of communities over the critical mass.

    • grant 🍞@toast.oooEnglish
      9·
      1 year ago

      after I found out about the fediverse I’ve wondered why not more people use it and why it wasn’t already popular

        • panopticchaos@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          2·
          1 year ago

          I think that’s true for mastodon, but I suspect it’s going to be way less true for Reddit

          Twitter’s value proposition is roughly “one big giant conversation with everyone” and the federation stuff adds some complexity to that.

          Reddit already acted like a federation. There are ui and discoverability issues but they seem very solvable.

      • phire8English
        6·
        1 year ago

        Because most people just don’t understand it. It’s has a high barrier of entry (relatively speaking) and there aren’t really any good mobile apps. While I love the idea of the fed Ivette I just can’t imagine trying to explain it to everyone that’s isn’t tech savvy.

        • sleepyTonia@programming.devEnglish
          1·
          1 year ago

          I think what would end up making this a viable platform for the average person is an elegant app (Think Apollo) that initially obfuscates the whole concept of federated servers. One where you create from within it a “Lemmy” account/address and pick what domain you want. Defaulting to lemmy.ml perhaps? Or suggesting a server based on a short questionnaire, like what Twitter does to recommend accounts to follow. Being able to use that same account on various federated platforms would also be pretty cool. Most people will need to have their hand held or they’ll never leave behind what they are accustomed to.

  • fossilesque@mander.xyz
    49·
    1 year ago

    Trust is the hardest thing to reclaim once lost, and this isn’t the first break. Big social is having problems, it’s the natural course of things.

  • ForynGilnith@lemmy.world
    44·
    1 year ago

    For me, they’d have to

    1. Replace /u/spez
    2. Implement some sort of publicly auditable accountability re: shadowbans and database-level comment editing
    3. Open-source significant parts of their platform.

    I have zero expectation that any of these things will happen. The most healthy way forward, for an open and free internet, is the meritocracy of the fediverse.

  • kalipike@lemmy.one
    31·
    1 year ago

    The CEO just tripled down and said they are not changing their intended API pricing regardless of how many subs and users go dark.

    Even if they did, I think a lot of redditors have been fed up with some things with Reddit (both the company and the first-party app) for a while.

    Of course, there will be people who just don’t care and will continue to go about their redditing as usual, and those who will go back. A fair number of my close friends don’t care at all as they use the first-party app, have no complaints, don’t moderate any subreddits, and don’t follow the Internet news.

    I would love to see my primary communities move over to federated social platforms. It reminds me of the Web1.0 and earlier Web2.0 days.

  • SkyNTP
    29·
    1 year ago

    It’s not really about the API and third party apps anymore. Arguably never has been. This is really about the IPO, and the clear signal that Reddit has every intention of making your experience worse if that means they can squeeze more $$$ out of you.

  • starrox@sh.itjust.works
    27·
    1 year ago

    Reddit is absolutely, 100% certainly not going to step back on these change. They’ve made up their mind long ago.

    But just for the hypothetical: I think they lost a LOT of trust with the two most essential parts of the community - users and mods. Also the company (or rather, its CEO) may have taken significant image damage due to the “AMA” spez did.

    I think business will go on as usual, but the decline will be more and more noticable over time. It will go the way of Digg. Unless of course reddit decides to hire moderation themselves. But we all know they probably wont want do do that. The course seems set to selling the data they have already accumulated.

    • Ulu-Mulu-no-die@lemmy.world
      6·
      1 year ago

      I doubt reddit will hire mods, they’ve been crying the platform is not profitable, imagine having to pay several millions more, tho reddit without mods is dead.

    • Cyber_Angel_Ritual
      3·
      1 year ago

      I think my only issue with Lemmy is that it is confusing to navigate. They don’t have a search bar from what I noticed. Then again I am new here. Otherwise I am content here.

      • BluePhoenix01
        3·
        1 year ago

        Not sure if it helps @Cyber_Angel_Ritual@lemmy.ml , but the search is on the top right. The little magnifying glass. Visibility on it could be better.

        And yes, I like the distributed nature of it all, but sometimes you end up on another instance without an easy way to view it in a page you can comment.

    • MDKAOD
      3·
      1 year ago

      Spez has been a douche for a long time. There is no damage to be done if he wears it on his sleeve.

    • 777
      2·
      1 year ago

      If you were in his shoes though with the option to make many many millions of dollars, and all you had to do was ruthlessly destroy the investment your users put into the community while your board applauded you?

      There’s idealism, but I’m not a good enough person to say I wouldn’t seriously consider it.

      • beatniak
        1·
        1 year ago

        How about making money without being a dick?

        You might not make billions, but who needs that amount of money? (only dicks)

  • basis@sh.itjust.works
    25·
    1 year ago

    I’ll be staying no matter if Reddit reverses their decision. The communities I’d like to follow might be smaller here, but I’m sure they will grow.

    • starship_lizard@lemmy.world
      8·
      1 year ago

      Same here. I’ve already posted more comments and posts in my short time here than I ever did on reddit. It feels a lot more interactive and I like it.

    • JamesMayOwnsMySoul@sh.itjust.works
      2·
      1 year ago

      Honestly I’m beginning to LIKE that they’re smaller. The F1 sub over on Reddit was at something silly like 3m subs, and they had to start making all sorts of silly rules about what you could and couldn’t post, and you just couldn’t have a reasonable chat about anything. Smaller communities mean you get to know the users and everything is a bit more casual and chilled.

  • Anon2971@beehaw.org
    24·
    1 year ago

    I wouldn’t care. The irreversable damage is done.

    Reddit’s handling of the API change criticisms showed me how little they care about the community that keeps them afloat. The way the CEO’s AMA pretty much ignored all API change criticism (including comments asking why the new price is so extortionately expensive) whilst lying about Apollo’s developer threatening them… They’ve shown their real colours.

    I don’t want to use a platform prioritising profits above everything else now. I used Reddit for over a decade and they’ve eradicated my trust in a few days. Even if they reverse the decision, it’d be a PR move to temporarily save their sinking reputation. They clearly don’t care about moderators, users or anyone who actually makes Resdit the place it is (whilst begrudgenly adding bare minimum app exceptions for blind users becsuse they legally have to).

    Its a shame, but at the same time I’m excited to see where things go from here. Reddit’s always had a bit of a quality control problem due to sheer size. Maybe the mass exodus will lead to an alternative community discussion platform with a smaller, more refined, engaged userbase.

    I’m actually excited to see where things go from here to be honest. Maybe Reddit will become a home of pointless content like memes whilst deeper discussion happens elsewhere. Maybe that’d be better, actually.

  • Teflo@lemmy.world
    23·
    1 year ago

    What kept me at reddit was the content, not the company. If the content moves here, then this is where I’ll stay. If most content remains at Reddit, which would be unfortunate. Then I’d probably try to juggle both, depending on how my time goes here.

    So far, it’s been rather positive. I’ve got most of my daily dose of community conversation, but I’m missing that video streak at the moment.

  • goddamnpipes@lemmy.world
    21·
    1 year ago

    I don’t intend to go back nearly as much as before, even if the changes are reverted (unlikely, imo). A lot of the aspects of Reddit that I didn’t like - but tolerated - are generally not found here, at least so far. While Lemmy still leaves things to be desired, it just feels better to engage with.

    However, I may still add " reddit" to the end of a search query to avoid all the bloat articles that crop up in a search. There’s still a wealth of useful information on Reddit from all those years for even the most niche questions / topics.

  • knotthatone@lemmy.one
    211·
    1 year ago

    No. I’m done. The admins had their chance to address the developers and community concerns respectfully. They instead chose to insult people, make false accusations and demonstrated a complete lack of humility and respect for the community that made their website have any value at all.

    Not that I expect them to reverse course on anything, but I won’t be coming back under any circumstances.