"Day 33: Problematic symptoms developing in Patient X. Current fluctuations from the implant are causing unwanted signals in the somatosensory cortex. The patient is expressing aggressive behavior as a result, presumably due to the interference of the implant on normal sensory function. It is unknown what is causing the fluctuations.
Day 45: Patient X sedated following a violent outburst that injured a staff member. fMRI scans indicate an uptick in activity in the premotor cortex compared to the previous scan four days ago. Patient X not responding well to the Brain-Computer Interface. Violent aggression may not be consciously controllable.
Day 46: Patient X escaped Secure Room Alpha. Lockdown initiated. Quarantine measures are now in effect. There is a loud banging on the lab door. This might be my last journal entry. Before I leave this Earth, please let the shareholders know I created value for them."
i remember rightwingers, the same who praise elon musk lately, screamed for months about implanting chips during covid vaccinations. oh the irony.
And that wasn’t even real. They howled about a fake scenario, and then praise the actual event happening.
large number of conservative/rightwing blabbering about others, pointing fingers and blaming various imagionary boogiemen, with time somehow manages to endup as their projection. it’s becoming a rule.
The right wingers were not angry about microchips in the blood. They were angry about secret, non-consensual, microchips in the blood.
Please don’t make me say these stupid disclaimers: I don’t think covid vaccines contain microchips.
Anyway, it was about consent, not a moral outrage at implanted chips. A moral outrage at secret microchips implanted by government directive under cover of emergency powers.
they were sour about everything covid related. it was all made up, it wasn’t real, but china made it, masks were problem, they couldn’t breathe, secret cabala, fascism, vaccinations was bill gates’s genocide chip implating for mind control.
they insisted on all kinds of nonsense because they didn’t believe it, as they are neck-deep in conspiracy theories and delusion.
Well sure, they’ll accept any stupid shit that a lying corporation does.
Security Log day 42: Our request for a proper security door was denied. “Just buy a master lock, it’s cheaper” was the reply.
Oh well, I’ll make something work. Right after my quick meeting with HR.
[Last log entry]
And the meat grinding wheels of capitalism just keep on churning.
Sci-Fi Author: In my book I invented the Torment Nexus as a cautionary tale
Tech Company: At long last, we have created the Torment Nexus from classic sci-fi novel Don’t Create The Torment Nexus
That especially applies to Elon, who claimed that Douglas Adams inspired his dream of creating an AI. The same Douglas Adams that only wrote about AIs that were faulty, assholes or both.
I like Marvin. He reminds me of me.
I thought you ought to know I’m feeling very depressed for you.
June 9th: Of the original four dozen, over 75% are now deceased. Strangely, no clear patterns have emerged as of yet.
Batch 5 seems to have no common discernible effect on any specific group though the men seem slightly more resilient than the women.
June 18: And only five left now. Two men and three women.
The man in room five is a fascinating case. Physically, there doesn’t seem to be anything wrong with him. No cellular anomalies, nothing.
December 24th: I was in the mess. It was about half past ten when we heard the first explosion.
The ones at the front ran straight into the gas. It was horrible.
It was the man in room five. I couldn’t have known. The chemical supplies, grease solvents, ammonia, fertilizer. He’d been making things with them.
Mustard gas… And napalm.
And in the yard, I saw him. He had the flames behind him. He was naked.
He looked at me…
As if I were an insect. Oh god. As if I were something mounted on a slide.
He looked at me.
In View, a humble Vaudevillian Veteran, cast Vicariously as both Victim and Villain by the Vicissitudes of fate.
The device looks like it was chewed by a wild animal parts of the board is missing but you may be able to recover some data…
Day 1 mission log: We have arrived at the lab to try and figure out why the scientists have ceased communication. We found the door damaged and pried open. There is a broken loader out in front of the lab. we are setting up a perimeter.
Day 2: We were woken in the very early morning to the sounds of something large in the bush. We heard a scream and upon investigation Johnson was ripped apart and partially eaten. we have implemented a more strict watch schedule.
Day 3: we have finally managed to enter the lab. We lost Johansen and Richardson last night. Hopefully we can figure out what happened and what is out here.
—Data corruption detected—
Day 7: Mother of god there was blood everywhere. doors ripped open, bodies and body parts everywhere. There are runes drawn in blood on the walls. There is some sort of device that is projecting a shimmering portal, I’m going to investigate it more and try to find my missing team members…
— Unable to recover any more files, CRC check sums have failed, data corruption 98% —
This is the story of an investigative journalist who goes to explore X Asylum after hearing of the terrible things happening there.
Jesus that last line really got me! Too real for me fam.
Day 47: patient x dies of covid variant know as osnfbejcjdkd theta. /S
Imagine voluntarily granting an advertising company direct access to your brain.
I can imagine for people who are disabled this is super exciting stuff.
I work with a lot of disabled people and while obviously my sample size isn’t large enough to write a paper, the ones capable of understanding consent all think this is a terrible, terrible idea.
I don’t blame them. I can’t imagine voluntarily getting brain surgery unless it was life or death.
Being disabled in some area really makes you think “I had better take care of what I have left” rather than “what are my options for modifying and upgrading what is left?”
There is actually a strong feeling in much of the deaf/heard of hearing community against cochlear implants because it is “othering” them in the process.
I’d find it hard to believe people paralyzed from the neck down would share similar views.
Again it’s not a huge pool, but one. One paralyzed lady who thinks this an atrocious idea. But I bet its more than you’ve asked personally!
Why is that? I think it’s a really exciting technology.
I lack the eloquence to describe the look on her face when she found out about it. But her answer was, “Oh, great, so I can trade in the problems I have now for new ones we can’t even accommodate yet!”
She’s very much an enemy you know type of person.
I’ve healed various parts of myself that have been fucked up, mostly mentally and emotionally, and when I’ve found myself normally able, the first reaction I have is grief. For all the years before I even knew such things existed.
I steer, on purpose, into gratitude, and I take what I can get. But there’s a little secondary voice that wants to be bitter and hold it against people who had the ability while young.
Just because a culture adopts a narrative doesn’t mean it’s the only functional narrative.
It’s just as feasible for someone to think “hey new sense, fuckin sweet!” or even “Hey new sense, nah I’m good”, and in both responses not find any insult at all in the offer.
Learning about cochlea implants right now in SLT school, this is beyond me lol
How many of them are paralyzed from the neck down?
I can imagine for people who
arewant to be disabled this is super exciting stuffFixed that for you.
“It’s simple. We implant the chip. No matter how hard you try, you can’t stand up or walk right. You go through the process, then we remove the chip, and we take 10% of your benefits. Are we clear?”
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“I can finally walk, but I really enjoy the bold rich flavor of PrimeCorp nutrition bar.”
Haha, too accurate
I think I’d choose walking personally
Yeah, everyone would. PrimeCorp stock would go through the roof, not least of all because of their delicious nutrition bars. So much value would be delivered to the shareholders, can you imagine it!?
Fuel to Go Wherever Your Feet May Roam
Who gives a shit if I could walk again. I wouldn’t care who’s profiting off of it.
This is frankly a ridiculous position.
Let’s not allow people to walk as someone might make money. The horror.
It’s not that serious, we’re just cracking jokes on the internet. Of course we’d all pick walking, even if we suddenly got an insatiable hunger for delicious, satisfying PrimeCorp nutrition bars. The nutrition bar with legs!
Do you think someone in a wheelchair so much lesser a person that you automatically assume free access to their brain is adequate payment for legs? People who can’t walk still have lives, and agency, and choices. This would be a choice, for everyone. You would choose walking because you’ve never had to compensate for losing it.
I’d 100% give it to get rid of my physical disabilities.
I also did specify paralyzed from the neck down which I assume gives people less agency.
This kind of emerging technology preys upon those people’s hopes of living a normal life again. I just recently saw a YouTube video of people who got implants to cure blindness (with a glasses-like device to bridge the gap) and once the company that produces them went out of business they ceased support for their units that were inevitably going to fail as all hardware does.
Elon Musk and Neuralink is no different. They’re rushing this tech to market and they know it. High likelihood of it becoming abandonware, but improving the lives of their patients was never the goal. Making money is the goal.
All the advancements will still most likely help others down the line.
The tech exists now and that’s still a big leap forward even if that particular company fucked people.
Could we somehow both have the advancements and not fucking people over? 🤔
Yeah pretty much every country except America runs their healthcare that way.
A big advantage of socialised medicine is the system has huge buying power and can enforce things like this when making contracts.
The fucking-people-over part is NOT a necessary part of the tech! You can have tech that gets stably supported with adequate safeguards in place to make sure patients get everything they need to keep them safe and working for the rest of their life–safeguards enforced by government mandates. Those are policy issues that we already know how to solve, we just don’t, because we let tech companies do whatever the hell they want.
Yeah most places except America this is what would happen. It’s a big advantage of nationalised medicine.
Linux neuralink edition gon be funnnnn
Probably the drivers I’d want to try to maintain and get working the least.
78 developers across the globe. No one can agree on direction and half drop out in 3 months to fork it. Several forks happen and they all fail, and a few survive but become mutually incompatible.
You download a poorly tested update via brain apt-get and lose the ability to use the letter k.
A successful fork takes off and everyone uses it but then IBM buys it. Now big blue owns your brain and charges insane licenses fees.
You forgot to pay your subscription, and wake up blind. Your eyes have been deactivated until you bring your account current.
There’s already a company doing this with fall protection vests (airbags for cyclists basically). If you stop paying it stops working.
If I was a CEO personally I would not want my company to make a product intended to stop working and increase the risk of serious injury or death if the customer stops the subscription, but I’m not a super smart tech guy so I’m sure it’ll work out fine for them.
Until you accidentally think sudo rm / -rf…
I don’t feel like advertisements in general are that much different. Constant assault, every medium, weaponized brain washing. I bet that given a cue you could perfectly hum the tunes of at least a hundred or so jingles that you weren’t aware of infesting you brain.
Has anyone a TL;DR why they could do that? Last time I heard anything about Neuralink they were mass killing animals with botched implants.
Enough animals died. Now humans have their turn
Fucking finally.
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Do we have any concrete evidence that he’s even telling the truth? Something other than a tweet on a platform he owns? He seems to lie often.
Smells a lot like “Funding secured” or any of the other insane promises he’s made.
There’s the hyper loop, the cyber truck missing deadlines and quality concerns and range lies, all of the Tesla delays, etc
That said they did FDA approval for human trials last May https://www.reuters.com/science/elon-musks-neuralink-gets-us-fda-approval-human-clinical-study-brain-implants-2023-05-25/
Don’t forget that time when he held up a piece of glass, pointed to a house behind him with a glass roof, showed a presentation of power output metrics and dualrability tests, and said they made solar roofs and just needed to figure out how to manufacture at scale
They had not, in fact, made a working prototype - they were still trying to figure it out. He stood up there with a piece of pretty glass (that was not in fact any type of solar panel) and entirely fabricated test results, and he lied over and over.
He must’ve gotten some artist’s design model, produced several roofs worth, and made all of it up.
FDA had denied, company presumably made some sort of changes that were not publicized (or paid off the right people), FDA approved.
They were approved last year in May by the FDA for human trials
FDA fell asleep at the wheel
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I heard there were some amazing people in this thread?
Looks like they were right
Just recently I was reading about blind people who got experimental eye implants several years ago. They’re having serious problems now because the company stopped supporting the implants.
All implanted medical device firmware should be Free Software.
…how. I make plastic medical devices and I need to support them for 10 years by law, since that is considered “lifetime” for it. How is a company not supporting them before the lifetime of the product (i.e. before they need to take them out) and gets away with it?
If your company goes bankrupt before 10 years is up, what happens?
Your eyes explode and you get kicked on the crotch by Hulk Hogan
You open it.
Bankruptcy maybe?
Edit: article says company was on verge of bankruptcy.
Ah bankruptcy, solves all of life’s little problems.
Except federal student loans.
There was so much worry about lawyers going bankrupt on $5000 student loans… They had to stop it!
Locked in till-death terms, skyrocketing tuition, and Sally Mae getting both the privilege of loaning and contracting with the government (and being paid to do so) to collect on defaulted loans.
I’m sitting on about 8k left of a 30k loan and I’m really hoping to get some good news but I’m seeing now that our Republican friends want to reverse the forgiveness that’s been issued so far…
Vote blue over Q and take everyone with you!
They were probably still experimental and installed for a trial and that is likely legislated differently.
Yeah, but for a trial to go forward, it needs to meet very specific criteria. This doesn’t sound like it did.
“Oops. We failed. Happens to businesses all the time. Good luck with that. Sign up for the newsletter of our new businesses below! What’s that, liability? Nooo no no, you must be mistaking this for a socialist country. This here is capitalism, that’s part of the program, it’s all there encoded in the law for everyone to see!”
seems like i have read similar about folks who got implants to manage migraine or epilepsy.
edit - i was reading about it in the New Yorker, context was more philosophical. but here’s an article that looks to cover the topic (biotech abandonware) directly.
https://www.nature.com/immersive/d41586-022-03810-5/index.html
Do people think this is new? We have been able to do this for decades. I’m a lowly PhD student and even I get to work with humans whose brains we are actively recording from (although I don’t put the electrodes in there myself).
Just another instance of Muskrat talking about things he doesn’t know. I used to think he was a genius when he was talking about rockets, then he started talking about things I know (neuro & AI)…
Elon never invents anything new. He finds a complex concept, scuffs off at it’s complexity and announces it’s actually really simple. Creates company that over-simplifies things.
Sometimes his project fails enough times that it starts working (space x).
He has so much money that he can keep doing it. And hire the best in the field - there’s no money in academia so of course they’ll go. And then he’ll take credit for their hard work eventually of course.
Sometimes his project fails enough times that it starts working (space x).
That’s just the process of engineering that’s not an Elon thing that’s just an engineering thing. No one knew how to make reusable rockets that land on the launch pad so of course it was trial and error. The reason NASA would never do it is because it’s trial and error and Congress don’t want NASA blowing rockets up.
The Soviet space program was exactly the same and remember they got into space first.
Screw Elon, but to be fair…that’s most business and science. You try, fail, adjust, try again, rinse and repeat until you find success.
So what are actually useful applications that might be feasible soon for this kind of stuff? I could google it but I’d mostly get a bunch of sensationalist BS that is meant to generate clicks.
Basically three things -
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BCI - Brain Computer Interface. This can allow people with disabilities to control prosthetics using their brains. For example, this one from 20+ yrs ago. They are in clinical trial stages now - lot of data over 20yrs showing it’s pretty safe. There are some differences like BrainGate uses “Utah” electrodes which sit on the brain rather than go inside the brain.
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Medical diagnosis - Some patients (with things like epilepsy) get their brains recorded like this to find the region of the brain that is malfunctioning. Then sometimes this region is removed and believe it or not it actually helps! Edit: DBS is another option sometimes like the other commenter said but that needs “stimulation” also, not just passive recording.
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Understanding the brain - these recording data can help make sense of the brain. We still don’t understand much of how the brain works so this data can help and maybe help with treatments in the future.
For all of these currently we only have patients (because “healthy” people wouldn’t want metal electrodes in their brain). But neuralink’s promise is to make these electrodes so thin and dense (so that you can record more) while keeping SNR high that it might be possible to put it in healthy people without brain damage. I wouldn’t hold my breath for that, though.
I’m hoping so hard for a brain/computer interface. I have a chronic condition that makes me a walking repetitive stress injury generator. Being able to control a computer with my noggin would be a game changer. I currently use an eye tracker combined with a camera head tracker, plus speech recognition, but it’s not the best. It certainly killed my (non-existent) computer programming career.
Well you’re in the wrong place to talk about BCIs, this is for Elon musk hate only.
Literally everywhere is for that. BCIs are fair game.
Thanks! So how far away are we from something like this:
- Create a kind of “virtual sense organ” that allows you to learn to “read” text or information through BCI
- A virtual or augmented reality, able to close your eyes and see things that the BCI is feeding you
Both of them can be done shitty-ly now. But to do it with quality that even healthy people will voluntarily get it? That would need several breakthroughs.
We can stimulate some neurons now; to be able to stimulate enough neurons to do either of those in good quality will be hard. Cutting edge stuff can stimulate ~1000 neurons (only monkeys not even humans) but the human optical nerve is more than a million fibers. So we probably will need 3 orders of magnitude improvement and somehow do it in humans safely.
Wow let’s wish for those handful of best case scenarios for sure, and hope it isn’t then adapted for mass consumer use like keeping track of your friends and family, and emails, and assets of various sorts, it might even come with emojis!
If you thought it was hard deleting your Google Photos…
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Didn’t the team he put together at least come up with better miniaturization of a BCI, with denser/more numerous electricodes, and a more advanced implantation process to minimize scarring?
You probably won’t be worried about scarring after you die of a brain bleed so that might not be the best selling point.
It’s a current limitation with all BCIs from what I understand, so one hurdle for them is to try to eliminate it from ever forming at all. Not sure where his thing is at, but I guess no one here knows anything about it.
Elon musk is a fucking moron, but he is paying a team of actual neuroscientists and surgeons to develop this.
Yes you are right, they are trying to improve on what exists. My response was more for the “OMG musk is doing a sci-fi” - recording spikes is not really new or hard.
(patent pending)
It’s like the Titan sub all over again except this time homeboys brain arteries implode
The neuralinks are actually built by scientists though not random billionaires who just think they know what they’re doing. It’s not like Elon Musk himself has anything to do with this, he’s just funding it.
Actual scientists built a lot of less-than-great stuff throughout history.
So all those animals died for what exactly? A cheaper version of something that already existed?
A cheaper version of something that already existed?
Implying this is useless? Lots of cool stuff exist already but are too expensive to be useful.
Its no excuse for fast and loose research with so much loss of life.
Disabilities shouldn’t bankrupt people no matter the price. Government are rich enough to provide this sort of thing if they want too.
Its no excuse for fast and loose research with so much loss of life.
Totally agree. But your previous comment is implying that there were no gains, not that the costs are too great for the gains, and that’s the part that I’m disputing.
A genius? I figured he was a visionary or just a bloke who, ugh, “aimed for the stars” I guess.
Nope, just some rich Souf Effrican chode.
I disagree with Musk on a lot (especially wanting just cameras for self-driving cars), but, in the tweet he does say “from Neurolink” not “ever”
Musk can’t even make a proper ev why would anyone want a product of his in their brain.
When the patient dies Musk’s team will write a report saying it was the patient’s fault.
Look, he’s all about free speech and free thought. But if people are going around using the wrong free speech and thinking the wrong free thoughts, they leave him no choice but to… Correct the problem. /s
Don’t worry, Musk is a man of highest ethics. He would never rush such a product and risk people getting brain damage. Or extort them for subscription costs later. Just don’t ever Google “NeuraLink monkey deaths,” 'k?
Or, you know, “[literally any medicine] [literally any kind of lab animal] deaths”
Not a pretty picture.
They were thinking wrong.
Patient didn‘t tell them about their Bill Gates microchip duh.
Musk has literally no idea how any of the stuff these companies produce works.
A year from now: “First Nueralink implant recipient dead after it exploded in his brain, sending shrapnel directly through his frontal lobe”
Exploding brain implant is a cool way to die and a great punk band name.
“We’re Brain Implant Explosion and we’re here to make you afraid of the inevitable rise of the machine and stuff! One! Two! Three! Four!”
Elon, is that you?
If it would help making soldiers perform better it will get funding and approval…
Musk can’t even make a proper ev
Wow
If you’re gonna complain about the other models being good you should know he had nothing to do with any of them, other than buying the company and demanding workers sleep on the factory floor to meet fulfilment. Every company he is the face of was someone else’s ideas and effort, all the way back to the 90s. He supplies capital and in return people who don’t understand the subject matter assume he knows what he’s talking about because he gets quoted a lot.
Oh you’re right. No CEO does any of their products. I see what you mean now.
He knows how to run a company that produces EVs, but he does not, in fact, produce EVs
He knows how to pump the stock. He has no idea how to run a company either. His skill to date is being clued up at a conceptual level on tech at a young age and being in the right place at the right time, having some charisma and knowing how to appear smaet. In terms of skill set he’s way closer to trump than an actual engineer or CEO.
Oh shit, those logs were always like that too! Short and revealing, I always wondered who would write like that. Well here we are.
Just like how the pandemic showed us how believable zombies can be.
What is showed me was how believable the beginning of zombie movies and TV shows can be where people don’t believe the zombies are real or worse, have never heard of the word zombie.
I think the only zombie movie where the people in it have actually heard of zombies is Sean of the dead.
I always find it weird when videogame do that, in writing even.
“the monster is at my door, i don’t think i can get through this. Ohh shit the door is broken! The monster is charging at me! I love you, my dear wife, goodb”
Dude could’ve find a way out but instead he start to scribble down his thought in his journal.
Aren’t they usually transcriptions? I don’t remember any games off the top of my head where some scientist is actually typing their last thoughts out…
Skyrim lol. Everyone seem to have the habit of tearing a page of their journal out and leave it at random place. Also Metro Exodus, you can find notes throughout the open area and some will have journal with the writer’s final moment, like for example this.
I think there’s more i can’t recall, but some game do use transcript and even then i find those weird as heck, they all leave their transcript tape at random place as well.
Fallout 4 did it quite a lot with audio tapes. The gunner at the Salem church with the deathclaw comes to mind.
Ahh. Never played FO4 so haven’t seen that one.
I hear footsteps… oh no it‘s at the door. My constant audio recordings probably caught it‘s attention at last. Anyway, here‘s wonderw-
More of an indie game but Unturned did this, I believe in the Scorpion-7 building there’s a journal note that reads like this.
I knew exactly what this would be. Not disappointed.
Here is a link without site tracking: https://youtu.be/ZlIz0q8aWpA
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They do it when they’re trapped, with no way out. Usually in-between moments of duress.
In fairness, it has happened several times IRL when scientists realized they’re about to die. I think we know cyanide tastes almond-y because someone wrote it down after a lab accident. I forget her name, but there was a woman who got a lethal dose of a very dangerous form of mercury (due to a ripped glove), and she documented her symptoms for the several days with her husband by her side
Early chemistry used to involve looking, smelling, touching, and tasting new chemicals… Back when science was more of a solo hobby, they’d document everything as they went. I’m sure instant death was pretty rare, but I’m sure there’s at least a few records where it goes “I will now taste the substance. It tastes faintly of lemons and soap. I am struck with dizziness after a few moments. My vision has become blurry, I fear I have made a terrible mistake. Martha, if these are my last thoughts, know they were of you”
I buy that this is a thing a true scientist would do (assuming they thought their only hope was to hide and hope for rescue)… It’s just way overused and often not thought out well
I always like the trope of “Well, I’ve been disemboweled. I know! I’ll write a final warning with my own blood on the wall! Great idea, me!”
You need to buy Brain Lite subscription to be able to think.
Least purchased subscription of all time.
Who had Doom irl on their 2024 bingo card?
Does running doom on brains count?
All Doom versions run on brains. It’s what everything runs on.
The device allows you to directly post your thoughts on Xitter.
Wasn’t there a South Park episode that predicted exactly this? Didn’t they even call it Shitter?
Idk about South Park but Futurama had an episode about the Eye-Phone that let people post whatever was happening directly in front of them
oh man. the Susan Boyle craze. simpler times
A lot of these types read sci-fi dystopia books and think, “yeah that would be really cool actually.”
“I’ve created the Torment Nexus, from the sci-fi classic ‘Don’t Create the Torment Nexus’”
“Based on a fictional story”
Elon has gone on record saying he’s a huge sci-fi fan, and has mentioned Iain M Banks in particular who writes a lot of posthuman and transhuman characters. He’s literally pulling his ideas directly from fiction.
Nothing wrong with that, being visionary was the domain of writers and artists through all ages, Jules Verne springs to mind as someone who inspired a lot of inventors of modern things. Missing the point completely and finding ways to abuse those visions was the domain of the bourgeoisie, through all the same ages, up to and including today.
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Wanna bet he never gets one himself?
This or autopilot being the reason for his death would be… something.
Notice the guy who says he wants to live on Mars has never once gone up on a SpaceX flight.
Straight out of Doom 3.
My mind went to Raccoon City
Original Deus Ex game. If I remember right you wake up in an office building and each computer has different emails and messages hinting at what happened.
Ahhh never played those. Thx!
This is like the plot to any sci-fi horror or tragedy show ever. Wealthy CEO insists on disregarding the damage the medical implants do and pushes ahead to work on human trials.
What’s next? Zombie Super Soldiers?
The black mirror episode where soldiers think they are fighting monsters but it’s actually an implant in their brain that make the humans on the other side look like monsters to prevent empathy.
Wasn’t that Starship Troopers?
Black Mirror episode: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_Against_Fire
Oh yeah, I was totally wrong. In Starship Troopers it’s indeed just bugs (or spiders)
