• @stanka
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    44 months ago

    Interesting, if old, article.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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      34 months ago

      It was published a while back, but everything it talks about still very much applies today.

  • JoYo
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    34 months ago

    Imagining a Non-C Processor

    Oh OK, I like this song.

  • JoYo
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    24 months ago

    All this argument does is bump up ASM to a low-level language.

    I get the resistance in calling C low level but we aren’t about to mistake C runtimes for a JIT.

    LLVM certainly makes the comparison easier.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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      44 months ago

      That’s not what the article is saying though. It’s arguing that the memory model that imperative languages assume is not actually how modern chips work. What we end up with effectively is a VM on the chip that pretends to be a really fast PDP-11 style architecture. Writing assembly against this VM still has the same problem. Interestingly, the way modern chips are designed actually fits better with functional style that doesn’t rely on global state.

      • JoYo
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        24 months ago

        i got there at the end

      • @velox_vulnus
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        23 months ago

        Do you think Habit and Ante are better candidates to improve this situation?

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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          03 months ago

          I’m not familiar enough with how Habit and Ante represent memory allocation to say, but part of the problem right now is that there’s already a VM baked into the chip to provide the PDP-11 style emulation on top of it. Ideally, we’d want chips that expose their native behavior, and then craft languages to take advantage of it. Similarly to what we’re seeing happening with graphics chips.

          • @velox_vulnus
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            13 months ago

            Is this issue persistent in RISC-based processors too, like SPARC, POWER or RISC-V? Or is this a modular component that can go in with any architecture?

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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              03 months ago

              I imagine it would be the same dynamic, and you could have an emulation layer on the chip with its own instruction set for legacy code while providing direct access to the native instruction set.