Well yea but when it comes to politics, nothing has only advantages. I just hate how this exact policy receives so much aggressive hate from liberals for not more reason than liberal policy has
I have only seen a lot of hateful liberals. That’s why I said that. It was more of a rant. Seriously why are they so aggressive? They only make this world worse with their hatred. Though I’m sure there are aggressive conservatists too. I just haven’t seen them yet
Never heard any anti-trans rhetoric, or just agree with it? ‘Cause I see calling for a group to be eradicated from public life as generally making the world worse.
In other words, watch CPAC and try to remember that the things they say are about real people, and they pass legislation negatively affecting those real people.
I don’t even think I’m a conservative. I don’t follow any conservative speakers, leaders etc. And I respect different opinions. But hatred is always bad. I saw a ton of hateful and aggressive liberals that seemed to act aggressively towards any different opinion (not only conservative I think). That is always bad. If you like aggression, well, I’d suggest therapy
Where did you see it? I’ve seen a ton of stuff like that on social media, but social media amplifies awful takes and has a large population of people lacking perspectives. It doesn’t represent the real world all that well.
Speaking on aggression, there is a large contingent of people in this country who are actively hoping for a civil war and the opportunity to shoot their neighbors over opinions they don’t like or living lives they don’t approve of.
Yes I was talking about social media. I know they don’t even remotely represent the whole population but the fact that liberals were the most aggressive remains the same. I hope in real life there are a lot of peaceful and kind people. And the USA have become aggressive in all possible ways recently so that was expected. Maybe that’s one of the reasons to liberals’ aggression too since they are mostly American afaik. Well hopefully it will all stop soon. People shouldn’t be like that no matter their political views and preferences
Yes, no. An ideology that celebrates killing minorities, women, and the queer community deserves all the hate it gets. The latest victim to your favorite ideology, Nex Benedict in the US and the entire Palestinian population vis-a-vis Netanyahu’s conservative government. Conservatism belongs exactly where it is in the public’s eye. If not moreso.
It is not. It is actually what the word “fair” means. You get hate (a bad thing) for doing hate (a bad thing). Completely fair in my opinion. There’s nothing wrong in critics though. Unfortunately every part of the US culture and government tries to distort it
The conservative part of my views is more about not legalizing things that were not legalized previously (if they do tend to cause damage to people of course). Lol I can see that downvotes by every single USA citizen on Lemmy for that one. Maybe I can explain further if needed but later. I think taxation is important and can be kept high if needed. The government probably shouldn’t regulate the industry much but the opposite situation has its advantages as well (EU government nailed that). Private life should always stay private though + mass surveillance is a huge waste of resources that is not good in any perspective. I don’t identify myself as a conservative in the traditional meaning of this world. I have my own views
I’ve seen like 5 comments where you refuse to expand on your views. This is a formal invitation to bring your opinion to the marketplace of ideas and have it sorted out.
My views are not detailed yet that’s true. But what in the world is a marketplace of ideas? A thing that has a 100 pages contract and is meant to steal intellectual property (jk)? Lol that’s not gonna work on me. And “sorting out someone’s opinion” is highly immoral in my opinion (unless it’s done to prevent an immediate threat and the “brainwasher” consents his actions after the threat is eliminated). Anyone who intentionally attempts to do it to me is to be deleted
You ever read Fahrenheit 451? It’s just a decent read imo, but it has a few gems worth mentioning. In case you’re unfamiliar, it follows the story of a man (named Guy) who lives in a future version of America where books have been outlawed.
Guy meets a former English professor and begins to read in secret. In one of their meetings, the English professor tries to get Guy to talk about what he’s thinking, but Guy is being timid in sharing his thoughts. The professor then says this
You’re afraid of making mistakes. Don’t be. Mistakes can be profited by. Man, when I was young I shoved my ignorance in people’s faces. They beat me with sticks. By the time I was forty my blunt instrument had been honed to a fine cutting point for me. If you hide your ignorance, no one will hit you and you’ll never learn.
To hide your ideas this way is to live in a bubble, and you cannot grow your mind this way.
Mister, I literally lost the closest person recently. Developing my political views is not my priority now. And maybe that’s the reason why I became so active in political discussions. Also I ruined my personality already. I don’t have one now (though relatively stable political views still remain smh). I can only work in enforcement agencies at this point. That’s a thing I’m probably not terrible at. Anyways I did read that book. It was like 5 years ago though so I don’t remember much. And btw the lowest temperature of burning for paper is Celsius 451, not Fahrenheit
Enforcement agencies, vague talk about legalization, makes more sense, now we’re getting somewhere. Hope you’re able to find your way to a better career path. Lots of people partake in activities that others don’t approve of. I don’t think that means we should enforce our will on others. I personally think Christianity is a cult that primarily recruits through the indoctrination of children, but I’m also a fan of religious freedom. Condolences on your loss.
Lol I can’t even work because disability. Ik it’s kind of an extremist thing but I do think that enforcing is required when something gets really bad and creates a severe negative influence on the society. And if I can’t really be helpful in anything else, why don’t I choose that way? It’s not like everyone is good at it. Not caring about the well-being of your own children makes you a suspect already so careful with that one. Yes religious freedom is really important. And thank you
Like many things, I get the ideology and theory, but I don’t understand it in practice. Which basically goes for all politics.
Basically they all require force to realistically attain because chaos rules reality and you cant fuck with chaos and the laws of universe or else bad stuff happens. Maybe things could change later on if humanity makes it that far… But we are nowhere near that.
Politics is hard in practice. There are always going to be factors that’ll make ideas hard or even impossible to implement (any ideas, not only conservative)
Conservatism.
There are actually two conditions in the question, friendo
Well yea but when it comes to politics, nothing has only advantages. I just hate how this exact policy receives so much aggressive hate from liberals for not more reason than liberal policy has
You say this as if conservatives aren’t aggressively hateful lol
People hate the hatred fueled by conservatism
I have only seen a lot of hateful liberals. That’s why I said that. It was more of a rant. Seriously why are they so aggressive? They only make this world worse with their hatred. Though I’m sure there are aggressive conservatists too. I just haven’t seen them yet
The hatred from conservatives that I’m referring to is through the legislation they pass that has IRL consequences and ruins people’s lives
I’m not going to argue. I have a completely different opinion
It’s not subjective, it’s fact. You’re welcome to your own opinion, not your own reality.
Never heard any anti-trans rhetoric, or just agree with it? ‘Cause I see calling for a group to be eradicated from public life as generally making the world worse.
In other words, watch CPAC and try to remember that the things they say are about real people, and they pass legislation negatively affecting those real people.
I don’t even think I’m a conservative. I don’t follow any conservative speakers, leaders etc. And I respect different opinions. But hatred is always bad. I saw a ton of hateful and aggressive liberals that seemed to act aggressively towards any different opinion (not only conservative I think). That is always bad. If you like aggression, well, I’d suggest therapy
Where did you see it? I’ve seen a ton of stuff like that on social media, but social media amplifies awful takes and has a large population of people lacking perspectives. It doesn’t represent the real world all that well.
Speaking on aggression, there is a large contingent of people in this country who are actively hoping for a civil war and the opportunity to shoot their neighbors over opinions they don’t like or living lives they don’t approve of.
Yes I was talking about social media. I know they don’t even remotely represent the whole population but the fact that liberals were the most aggressive remains the same. I hope in real life there are a lot of peaceful and kind people. And the USA have become aggressive in all possible ways recently so that was expected. Maybe that’s one of the reasons to liberals’ aggression too since they are mostly American afaik. Well hopefully it will all stop soon. People shouldn’t be like that no matter their political views and preferences
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It’s pop politics. Pop politics and marketing is the enemy. Regardless of sides.
It’s like the difference between real art and pop marketed art. Street rap and pop rap etc.
So there’s some reasons to hate then? The question asks about things hated for absolutely no reason.
Yea I know. That comment was a rant. I just hate aggression like that
Yes, no. An ideology that celebrates killing minorities, women, and the queer community deserves all the hate it gets. The latest victim to your favorite ideology, Nex Benedict in the US and the entire Palestinian population vis-a-vis Netanyahu’s conservative government. Conservatism belongs exactly where it is in the public’s eye. If not moreso.
Hmm I guess I meant a different kind of conservatism
Define it then, don’t have to be coy.
It was about legalization policies, not about economical stuff
Unfortunately they’re associated with every horrible idea on earth so I don’t know why they expect to be treated well.
Well yea I shouldn’t have said it here. It’s a controversial one. Hopefully I already explained the reason of me saying it in the replies
Why are we hated on for hating on folk??? It’s so unfair!!!
It is not. It is actually what the word “fair” means. You get hate (a bad thing) for doing hate (a bad thing). Completely fair in my opinion. There’s nothing wrong in critics though. Unfortunately every part of the US culture and government tries to distort it
My response was sarcastic reply to the person above me… I am very much not conservative
Who is hating on you for wanting to lower taxes?
Or are they hating on you for wanting to deregulate industries?
Or was it a different conservative view?
The conservative part of my views is more about not legalizing things that were not legalized previously (if they do tend to cause damage to people of course). Lol I can see that downvotes by every single USA citizen on Lemmy for that one. Maybe I can explain further if needed but later. I think taxation is important and can be kept high if needed. The government probably shouldn’t regulate the industry much but the opposite situation has its advantages as well (EU government nailed that). Private life should always stay private though + mass surveillance is a huge waste of resources that is not good in any perspective. I don’t identify myself as a conservative in the traditional meaning of this world. I have my own views
I’ve seen like 5 comments where you refuse to expand on your views. This is a formal invitation to bring your opinion to the marketplace of ideas and have it sorted out.
My views are not detailed yet that’s true. But what in the world is a marketplace of ideas? A thing that has a 100 pages contract and is meant to steal intellectual property (jk)? Lol that’s not gonna work on me. And “sorting out someone’s opinion” is highly immoral in my opinion (unless it’s done to prevent an immediate threat and the “brainwasher” consents his actions after the threat is eliminated). Anyone who intentionally attempts to do it to me is to be deleted
You ever read Fahrenheit 451? It’s just a decent read imo, but it has a few gems worth mentioning. In case you’re unfamiliar, it follows the story of a man (named Guy) who lives in a future version of America where books have been outlawed.
Guy meets a former English professor and begins to read in secret. In one of their meetings, the English professor tries to get Guy to talk about what he’s thinking, but Guy is being timid in sharing his thoughts. The professor then says this
To hide your ideas this way is to live in a bubble, and you cannot grow your mind this way.
Mister, I literally lost the closest person recently. Developing my political views is not my priority now. And maybe that’s the reason why I became so active in political discussions. Also I ruined my personality already. I don’t have one now (though relatively stable political views still remain smh). I can only work in enforcement agencies at this point. That’s a thing I’m probably not terrible at. Anyways I did read that book. It was like 5 years ago though so I don’t remember much. And btw the lowest temperature of burning for paper is Celsius 451, not Fahrenheit
Enforcement agencies, vague talk about legalization, makes more sense, now we’re getting somewhere. Hope you’re able to find your way to a better career path. Lots of people partake in activities that others don’t approve of. I don’t think that means we should enforce our will on others. I personally think Christianity is a cult that primarily recruits through the indoctrination of children, but I’m also a fan of religious freedom. Condolences on your loss.
Lol I can’t even work because disability. Ik it’s kind of an extremist thing but I do think that enforcing is required when something gets really bad and creates a severe negative influence on the society. And if I can’t really be helpful in anything else, why don’t I choose that way? It’s not like everyone is good at it. Not caring about the well-being of your own children makes you a suspect already so careful with that one. Yes religious freedom is really important. And thank you
Nah, that’s justified
Like many things, I get the ideology and theory, but I don’t understand it in practice. Which basically goes for all politics.
Basically they all require force to realistically attain because chaos rules reality and you cant fuck with chaos and the laws of universe or else bad stuff happens. Maybe things could change later on if humanity makes it that far… But we are nowhere near that.
Politics is hard in practice. There are always going to be factors that’ll make ideas hard or even impossible to implement (any ideas, not only conservative)
It’s also changing constantly which people don’t like to admit. People want something secure but life will never be secure.