"During the 1930s, many communists and socialists from Germany and Austria sought refuge from the Nazis in the USSR. But in a shocking betrayal, the Soviet secret police handed over hundreds of them to Hitler’s Gestapo… https://jacobinmag.com/2021/08/hitler-stalin-pact-nazis-communist-deportation-soviet
My issue is not that they are historical ignorant, my issue their continuation of gaslighting and hijacking anarchist/communist movements to place themselves at the lead, the vanguard who knows “the truth”, who knows whats “best” for me and others, those that read such history and will first come up with some justification for the genocides conducted under the USSR. Justifying historical genocides, will result in justifying contemporary genocides.
Question: Whenever criticism against authoritarian communists is presented, why do you always come along as someone to defend them?
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that’s all you do here. not really anything more.
what’s false analogies? Contemporary tankies justify most genocides done under the USSR.
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That’s what they always do. It is called gaslighting. Felix, dev of lemmy, justified Assad and how he cracked down something that started as a simple protest and eventually resulted in mass murder. They will reply with very long threads why [something about CIA] [something about shit libs] [something about the enemy of my enemy is my friend] [something about anti-ameria and justifying any other imperium that takes position against US] and because of that it was necessary.
Nothing more then gaslighting that follows all the time the same patterns.
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what ever genocide it is,tankies will always justify it if it is done by a country that they claim to be an ally.
It is an ideological concept that you can’t disproof with logic. It is an dogma, that justifies itself.
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That’s not what I’m saying here. I’m saying that their mind set is dogmatic. That does not mean that it’s permanent, but if you aim to create a dialogue that gives a chance to question such dogmas, it is useful to understand they exist. If you create a dialogue where the dogma can just justify itself, it will deepen their ideological believes.
You want to question their dogmas? Understand how they function first.
I have a Syrian friend I talk to daily. You are clearly bullshitting here, buddy.
Great you have a friend. But what’s the point?
That a native’s opinion about a country matters more than your grift.
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ok: justifying genocides done by the USSR.
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The justification of these genocides is nothing of the past, it happens in this moment. It creates a culture that will legitimize upcoming genocides. And tankies do this. The damage those genocide brought to society is also nothing that is something of the past, it is still present, and so is it important to speak about history and how it relates to the here and now.
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I broadly agree with this sentiment, however, I still find their uncritical support for demonstrably awful states (like states tend to be) distasteful.
Take the Uyghur issue, for example. Occidental propaganda wants us to believe that there’s a literal, Nazi-style physical genocide, which isn’t true. Tankies point that out and claim “victory”, when Uyghurs are living in pretty shitty conditions, and the Chinese state is doing everything it can to erase their culture, even if no physical genocide is happening.
I think I read recently in an anti-cop sublemmy (ACAB? I forgot the name) that being against “all” cops is problematic, because, after all, cops in “proletariat-controled states” exert the will of the proletariat (unlike cops in burgeois-controlled states). And thus, they’re good. 🙄
I get that these people are not a serious political force. And they’re certainly not as insufferable as liberals (and they do much less damage, if any at all). But still.
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The issue is power itself. If “cop like people” are needed at all, they should be restricted in the power to the degree that they wouldn’t be recognizable as cops to anyone living in a modern state, (ie not having firearms, not having authority to arrest, etc).
Regardless of your opinion on the issue, cops being “unreformable”, and an institution that’s inherently shitty, is the anarchist position, and the basis behind the sentiment expressed in ACAB. Which is why its shitty to read cop apologist/bootlikers in sublemmies like that.
well, that is obvious non-sense. I haven’t seen anyone here claiming it to be like that. All I have seen is tankies that claim, that the basis of all who call the crack down on Uyghurs a genocide, claim it would be something like the holocaust. And then they start to make long threads that are just beside the point.
“If a Nazi justifies the holocaust, that’s not an issue, because those who conducted the holocaust are dead”
nope! that’s not how that works.
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explain what you mean, if what I said doesn’t represent you correct.
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ok, so it doesn’t make sense to me, except that you justify the justification of genocide. “cool”
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you repeatably said, that all this are just things of the past, that justifying genocides of the past in not really an issue if it’s done by tankies.
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