During the 1930s, many communists and socialists from Germany and Austria sought refuge from the Nazis in the USSR. But in a shocking betrayal, the Soviet secret police handed over hundreds of them to Hitler's Gestapo.
  • poVoq
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    2 years ago

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    • ancomOP
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      3 years ago

      ok: justifying genocides done by the USSR.

        • ancomOP
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          3 years ago

          The justification of these genocides is nothing of the past, it happens in this moment. It creates a culture that will legitimize upcoming genocides. And tankies do this. The damage those genocide brought to society is also nothing that is something of the past, it is still present, and so is it important to speak about history and how it relates to the here and now.

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            • Nasst
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              3 years ago

              I broadly agree with this sentiment, however, I still find their uncritical support for demonstrably awful states (like states tend to be) distasteful.

              Take the Uyghur issue, for example. Occidental propaganda wants us to believe that there’s a literal, Nazi-style physical genocide, which isn’t true. Tankies point that out and claim “victory”, when Uyghurs are living in pretty shitty conditions, and the Chinese state is doing everything it can to erase their culture, even if no physical genocide is happening.

              I think I read recently in an anti-cop sublemmy (ACAB? I forgot the name) that being against “all” cops is problematic, because, after all, cops in “proletariat-controled states” exert the will of the proletariat (unlike cops in burgeois-controlled states). And thus, they’re good. 🙄

              I get that these people are not a serious political force. And they’re certainly not as insufferable as liberals (and they do much less damage, if any at all). But still.

              • ancomOP
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                3 years ago

                Occidental propaganda wants us to believe that there’s a literal, Nazi-style physical genocide’

                well, that is obvious non-sense. I haven’t seen anyone here claiming it to be like that. All I have seen is tankies that claim, that the basis of all who call the crack down on Uyghurs a genocide, claim it would be something like the holocaust. And then they start to make long threads that are just beside the point.

                • Nasst
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                  3 years ago

                  The issue is power itself. If “cop like people” are needed at all, they should be restricted in the power to the degree that they wouldn’t be recognizable as cops to anyone living in a modern state, (ie not having firearms, not having authority to arrest, etc).

                  Regardless of your opinion on the issue, cops being “unreformable”, and an institution that’s inherently shitty, is the anarchist position, and the basis behind the sentiment expressed in ACAB. Which is why its shitty to read cop apologist/bootlikers in sublemmies like that.