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- genzedong@lemmygrad.ml
- cross-posted to:
- genzedong@lemmygrad.ml
Please don’t put any hate comments against the developers of lemmy or against the person who posted this.
I am also unhappy about what the main lemmy instance is doing.
What are your thoughts?
The developers of lemmy are self-admidded tankies, what else to expect?
Tankies and the Left-Unity Scam https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ziq-tankies-and-the-left-unity-scam
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Completly agree. Also, this is a topic that needs years of research and diplomacy as it is inherently tainted by propaganda (from all sides). It is pointless (and petty) to act as if there is a way of telling right from wrong at this stage. People need to cool their jets befor crying and accusing others of malicious intent. Personally, I am as left as it gets and that is why I like lemmy/lemmygrad. It is just refreshing to see this in the current internet!
I must admit I don’t know the author to well, but usually when people claim this anti-authoritarian is as bad as this authoritarian in regards of ziq (the author), people refer to his anticiv position. Anticiv get usually misrepresented and miss understood. I can understand why, but that doesn’t make them as bad as the “tankie”.
If you need a read on anticiv theory, you might enjoy reading something from Abdullah Öcalan leader of the PKK, which has Marxist-Leninist tradition.
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I did already, not my favorite author but I haven’t read anything that is comparable bad with ML
I am aware of that. The author admitted their wrong doing, and because of his behavior stepped down as moderator, at least temporarily. I don’t know about the current status. To those he caused the most harm by his behavior, they made piece with it and remain in friendship afaik. If you need the backround story to all that, I can dick it out for you.
some primies are like that. I did read threads how ziq makes fun of their nonsense.
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You mean like Lenin? It’s not “some”, it’s the majority, and it’s their leaders.
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And then most tankies when I call them tankies:
Please call us something-Lenin. …but sure, Lenin isn’t among their masters. I don’t buy into this.
Since you’re clearly ideologically opposed to Marxist-Leninist views, why are you here?
lemmy.ml is also for anarchists, right?
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I don’t care about what people’s views are as long as they’re respectful to views of others, and are willing to have discussions in good faith. My issue with @nikifa@lemmy.ml is that they make personal attacks, use slurs, and make bad faith arguments.
Sure, I’m just wondering why the particular person is here since they seem to be ideologically opposed to the fact that Lemmy devs are MLs. All I see from them is personal attacks and bad faith arguments.
I can be ideologically opposed to anything, and still take the courage to engage with such individuals. I don’t want to live in cult, with anyone part of that just going to agree with me. I let my ideas be confronted by those who oppose me. They will either stand or be dismantled. Both will have a positive outcome for me, and that is learning. Either I stand corrected afterwards, or I will have learned more about your habit, thought patterns and communities. This is intel activity, done by an random anarcho[…]
You clearly don’t have the courage to engage with individuals in good faith or have any interest in educating yourself on the subjects that you choose to engage on. You also quite clearly not interested in learning, as you simply dismiss information that doesn’t fit with your preconceptions. All you do is throw around slurs and make personal attacks. What you’re doing is generally known as trolling.
huh, why the downvotes? Because I used the term tankies, but you prefer to be called Marxist-Leninist? When contemporary anti-authoritarians use the term tankie, they usually refer to contemporary Marxist-Leninist. Hope that explanation helps. So when I say you are Marxist-Leninst, I mean you are tankie.
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Would you prefer we refer to you as dronie or anarkiddie?
I wouldn’t understand what dronie is so that term might not well serve the purpose if used to address me. If you address me as anarkiddie, it be enough for a tiny giggle, but then I’ll be remembered how that term is actually discrimination against children. It helps to reproduce adultism over and over again.
Dronie refers to the fact that anarchist positions are always aligned with US foreign policy. It’s exact same rationale as the tankie slur you love so much. Meanwhile, anarkiddie refers to the fact that full grown adults hold infantile views of the world.
hmm, ok. This wouldn’t fit me. I’m opposing US foreign policy in most parts, not all I must admit. I’m for: Dismantle the US empire. It’s just a phrase, but I mean it like that.
You’re literally peddling US state propaganda in this thread.
you’re aware that dev of lemmy use the term tankie as a self description too?
Same logic as saying that Black people use the n word colloquially and therefore it’s fine to use it as a slur.
Genuinely curious: Is Tankie a slur? I’ve seen more communists use it than noncommunists. Though that might simply reveal who I like to hang out with more.
Tankie is a pejorative term that originates with CPGB to denounce the use of tanks by the Soviet during the Hungarian Revolution of 1956. Recently it’s been picked up by Anarchists and liberals as a slur against people who support existing socialist states like China or Cuba. Communists tend to use it ironically nowadays because the term pretty much lost all meaning at this point.
wow, I was already wondering if you gonna refer to the collective experience/history of slavery, colonialism and what not all of black people, and argue that referring to some Marxist-Leninist as tankies to be the same logic. It is not! You did not experience this sort of repression, so stop claiming as if there’s some similarity between me calling you a tankie, and discriminating, triggering, devaluing…etc. black folks.
your thinking is so white I can even smell it.
So far, you’re the only one using tricks and emotional appeals here. Stop trolling.
That “essay” reads like a terminally online rant lol, sorry. I was made aware of it some time ago and we had a good laugh about it, because it feels like it was written by an angsty pre-teen, but this is a full-grown adult chasing strawmen in his head and the best examples he can find to illustrate his arguments is online drama and shitposting. I did have a good laugh when he said Raddle was an illegalist space, because I had to look into it afterwards and even other anarchists find this ideology questionable (I still don’t really understand how clearly self-motivated gangsters were later found to be anarchists either, because I couldn’t find these original illegalists calling themselves anarchists).
Edit: i was actually thinking of https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ziq-eradicate-left-unity, I got confused by the names being similar. Keeping this comment up because ziq is too funny not to share lol