Personally I think not having karma limits is nice currently! I understand why they were used but grinding karma as a lurker on reddit was frustrating.
Personally I think not having karma limits is nice currently! I understand why they were used but grinding karma as a lurker on reddit was frustrating.
Shadow banning… one of the most Orwellian moderation tools ever.
I never understood shadow banning. Just IP ban if you really don’t want that user coming back
The original use case for Shadow banning was bots I think. To them it looks like they’re comments are still being posted, but everyone else it’s invisible.
Which makes sense, I imagine if I was shadow banned i would realize pretty quick. But it’s not easy to have a bot realize they are shadow banned
given how that was such a dismal failure, I’m pessimistic about the future of the fediverse and its battle against bots
IP banning is such an annoyance if you are unlucky enough to only be able to deal with ISPs that do not use fixed IP addresses.
“Can’t post today, because another random person got my IP ‘du jour’ banned in the past” is a pretty terrible user experience.
And the pro troll uses Tor or a VPN and only needs to reconnect his client to receive a fresh IP address. I consider IP banning to be a very mediocre tool at best.
Pro trolls are a tiny minority, though. Most of them put no effort in whatsoever.
Yep. So many ISPs use CGNAT now because of the rising costs of IPv4 addresses. And for IPv6, you can get a /32 block for free from Hetzner or other cloud providers.
It’s not about making the user leave, because of they know they are banned they’ll try to evade. Shadow banning gives the desired effect while not tipping off the user. So they post away, to nobody.
A lot of the answers in this thread are things Reddit did to address specific problems that they encountered as the user base grew. Lemmy doesn’t have to make the same decisions, but it will inevitably encounter those same problems.
IP banning is not an effective tool
Reddit banned device MAC addresses, in my experience.
I pretty sure you can’t get someone’s MAC through a browser (through the app maybe), so I’m calling bullshit on this one.
Also MAC addresses are trivial to change to the point where Windows had a privacy feature to connect to random wifis with random MAC addressed turned on by default. IDK if it still does that.
How is that possible? On the app maybe? Generally all a website can see is your IP and whatever telemetry your browser sends back.
Hmm. Well, maybe my deductions are off. I used only RIF and a unique email address. Caught a ban. Remade account, banned within a few hours. Tried a week later, banned in a few hours. Gave up for a couple months then got a new device. Created an account, lasted for months. So I figured it was the device. Static IP. Email addresses the same just with a random number appended into it with a plus sign like just+283748w9293@emails.com. Wasn’t trying to hide.
I found the site wide rule against violence to be arbitrarily and poorly enforced. I wrote a lot about legal history and specifically crime and punishment, and I guess my prose and rhetoric sometimes confused the admins into thinking I would ever endorse violence.
Anyway, found it hard to find your reply here to comment back to you. Browning in jerboa. Could see your reply in the inbox but clicking on it didn’t bring up a reply option, just took me to the full comments. Had to scroll through your posts, you seem pretty chill and reasonable and thanks for making so many comments. I think it’s really about the discussions rather than the top level meme content.
Aww, you’re so sweet! I’m sorry you had trouble with that.