Ukraine’s population in 2021 was about 43 million, currently, it says that population is 36 million.
This is of course the most optimistic data they have, this is nowhere near truth, let’s look at facts.
Officially, there is 8,1 million migrants, even Wikipedia says this, so that’s instantly 35 million, then the annexations of 4 Oblasts by Russia: Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson. From data from 2020, Donetsk Oblast had a population of 4,132 million, Lugansk Oblast 2,136 million, Zaporizhzhia Oblast 1,687 million and Kherson Oblast 1,028 million, when we combine those numbers, we get a number of about 8,483 million, and than we have 27 million!
And this is not counting those who died or missing and idk if they even properly counted Crimea in Russia in population census.
So in short, Ukraine went from a population of about 43 million to less than 27 million in 1 YEAR and UN projects that it will never recover, it seems that phrase to the last Ukrainian is really true, to think that this could have been avoided for them if clown just signed to give Donbas, not join North Atlantic Terrorist Organization and preserve neutrality…
You forget that there was one additional condition that the Russians demanded which the Kiev regime as it has existed since 2014 could never fulfil. They may have agreed to not be part of NATO, they may have agreed to neutrality, and maybe with the appropriate international pressure even recognized Crimea as Russian and given autonomy for the Donbass, but the one thing they could never and would never have done is denazify. At this point the post-Maidan conception of Ukrainian national identity is inextricably tied to Nazi collaborator worship, Russophobia and anti-communism.
No, the de-nazification was always going to have to be done by force, the Banderite cancer that the US has fostered in Ukraine since 1991 has metastasized to a point where much of the society, and certainly since the Maidan coup the state apparatus, have become psychologically incapable of letting go of the myths and the hatred that they’ve built their new national identity on. Not without a major shock to their collective consciousness like a crushing and devastating defeat and total destruction of their country like what the Germans experienced in 1945.
This is a very sad and unfortunate fate and it didn’t have to be this way, if the US wasn’t so dead set on fulfilling the old imperial German geopolitical scheme hatched during WW1 of ripping Ukraine away from Russia and turning it into an anti-Russian client state.
Same thing with whole Eastern Europe, nazis and nazi collaborator worship won’t stop until it’s crushed by force.
Technically it even infected Russia, with many ongoing attempts to whitewash white movement leaders (pun not intended). Ya know, the likes of Denikin. Some were name-dropped by Putin in a speech as “people who dreamt of nothing more than to make Russia great”.
Unlike the others, however, our government recognises the need to pay lip service to Soviet legacy and thus cannot go full fash worship immediately. We’ll see how it goes, although I am not optimistic
At this point asking ukraine to denazify is like asking America to decolonize.
and UN projects that it will never recover
Considering the hellish austerity and shock therapy whatever remain of Ukraine are gonna be hit after war, sure as hell they wont. I wonder if someone in the wall street already invented some genius plan to sell that rump to Poland and extract all that from Poland rather than from eternal bankrupt rump.
There were already rumors that Poland ain’t gonna get special privileges in Ukraine after the war so we’re already getting shafted. Slava Ukraini unless it means buying their grain I guess
Sure, it is just as our wannabe imperialists sharpened their teeth for the looting of Afghanistan and Iraq, they already seen themselves in the role of imperialist country, but no such thing under USA, vassal must know their place.
But then again, what they do now is unhinged already.
Russia is still capitalist, but do you think that the Russian capitalists have a chance of not doing a neoliberalism on Ukraine after they capture it?
Considering that Russia has already in some ways been drifting further and further away from neoliberalism and more toward a traditional industrial capitalism with a strong state sector (though there is still a very disturbing neoliberal mentality in their central bank), and having seen how the war has kind of forced them to go even further in the direction of heavy state intervention in the war-relevant sectors of the economy, i think Ukraine definitely has a better chance of recovery under Russia than under a neoliberal western client regime.
I have been quite impressed by the speed at which Russia has rebuilt parts of Mariupol, though of course that was also motivated by the Russian government wanting to generate good PR for itself and ingratiate itself with the newly incorporated regions, to show them that it’s worth supporting Russia and they won’t just be left with the destruction. I doubt the Kremlin intends to invest that much effort into every damaged city in Ukraine that they take over, Mariupol is definitely one of the “poster cities”, but it’s still a good sign.
Obviously it would still be a thousand times better under actual socialism, but for now that doesn’t seem like it’s an option…yet. I still think Russia has a lot of potential to see a socialist resurgence, especially now that they have broken ties with the West, liberalism has severely fallen out of favor and more and more Russians look to China as an example of success.
Good points. I would just like to point out (as corroboration of what you said) the level of rebuilding the Russian government has been doing in Chechnya. Apparently visitors to Grozny say that looking at the city, you simply wouldn’t know a war went over it.
Modern Russia, I would argue, has come to understand something China realized a long time ago: that terrorism is rooted in poverty, and if you want to avoid violence in some region, you need economic development there. (Though China, as a socialist country, can create economic development a lot more effectively).
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Capitalists gonna capitalism, but being entirely annexed by Russia is the Ukraine only chance to avoid being mercilessly crushed by IMF and such.
“[…] it seems that phrase to the last Ukrainian is really true, to think that this could have been avoided for them if clown just signed to give Donbas, not join North Atlantic Terrorist Organization and preserve neutrality…”
Please correct me if I’m wrong, but this statement comes across as blaming the Ukrainian proletariat for being responsible for the actions of a government they didn’t elect, for a war they didn’t start, and for foreign policy decisions they had no say in.
Don’t you think claiming that an entire demographic deserves to have their homes destroyed and forced to become refugees en masse is a tad anti-proletarian?
Zelensky (the “clown”) is not the Ukrainian proletariat.
