In anticipation of Lemmy’s upcoming 0.19 release, and to work out any final issues, we’re going to deploy a test release on lemmy.ml within the next few days.

We’re doing this testing on lemmy.ml only, so that we can encounter any issues before the release, and to make sure the upgrade process is smooth for other production servers.

Some of the following will happen during the process:

  • Apps will likely break (only for lemmy.ml)
  • Lemmy.ml may experience some downtime for the upgrade to complete (ideally no more than an hour).
  • If anything goes wrong, we may have to restore from a database backup, meaning content made in between backups may be lost.

If all goes well, we’ll have an official announcement for the release after this testing period.

I apologize for the difficulties this might cause. At most this will be a week of hair-pulling, but its vital that we catch any issues before telling other servers to upgrade.

  • @sub_ubi
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    595 months ago

    Proud to be on the official test server 🥲

    • DessalinesOPMA
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      635 months ago

      haha, we appreciate the patience. We’re not a massive company with teams of people, just a couple of FOSS programmers.

      • 𝘋𝘪𝘳𝘬
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        145 months ago

        This is why this instance is so well. Thank you for all the hard work in reliberating the web!

      • @Wes_Dev
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        35 months ago

        Thanks everyone for the server and service. It’s appreciated. If I wasn’t broke and jobless at the moment, I’d be happy to kick over some monthly money on Patreon or Kofi or whatever people are using these days.

      • Joliflower
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        05 months ago

        Start monetizing with features and donations. Being Foss doesn’t exclude this

  • @FrankLaskey
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    415 months ago

    I there a changelog available?

  • Raccoonn
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    335 months ago

    Cheers for all of the work you Devs have put in…

    • DessalinesOPMA
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      475 months ago

      The release? 🤞 not more than a week, as long as we don’t run into major issues.

  • silas
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    245 months ago

    Cheering you on from over here at lemm.ee! Thanks for making this place better for everyone!

  • Grayox
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    235 months ago

    Thank you for your service o7

  • YⓄ乙
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    185 months ago

    can anyone tldr all big features coming in the new release?

    • @CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml
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      385 months ago

      Some that come to mind:

      • Scaled sort, which takes community size into consideration when looking for top posts
      • User will be able to block instances without the need for their home instance to defederate
      • The new flow for enabling 2FA makes it harder for users to accidentally lock themselves out of their accounts
      • There will be a feed option to just see posts in communities you moderate (as opposed to subscribed, local, and all)
      • Controversial sort
      • You can import and export account settings as JSON, making switching instances easier
      • @squeakycat
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        185 months ago

        User will be able to block instances without the need for their home instance to defederate

        Ooohhhhh so good. I have been wanting that.

        • @murmelade
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          Unblocking would be pretty damn awesome too.

        • @shrugal@lemm.ee
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          There are some topics where this sorting mechanism is the only one that will give you good comments, like asking for unpopular or controversial opinions. 1000 people will get upvoted because they post things that aren’t unpopular at all, and the few comments that are actually worth discussing get just as many down as up votes.

      • @Omega_Haxors
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        25 months ago

        Removed by mod? This really is a revolutionary new feature.

        • 𝘋𝘪𝘳𝘬
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          15 months ago

          Naming other instances (especially those two instances) is illegal now I guess 🤣

          But I am pretty sure everyone knows what “those two” instances are, anyways.

          • @Omega_Haxors
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            5 months ago

            Blatant displays of anticommunism are not allowed on lemmy ml

            It’s the bare minimum they do to ensure it doesn’t just become another nazi bar instance.

            • 𝘋𝘪𝘳𝘬
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              25 months ago

              If those two instances are seen as problematic by the mods of an official community I wonder why lemmy.ml is not defederated from them. lemmy.ml is defederated from so many weird/extremist instances, why not from those two?

              But this is the announcement community, we should not discuss this here since it’s off topic.

              • @Omega_Haxors
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                ml is basically the omni-instance, the only places it’s defederated from are those which outright should not exist on the federation. I’m talking unmoderated, hate speech galore, and CSAM posted on the daily. The only thing ml defederates from outside that are porn instances. I joined a NSFW instance and tbh not missing out on much, it’s mostly commercial spam and a lot of… questionable stuff.

      • YⓄ乙
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        25 months ago

        Thats so cool. I think this update will be the death of reddit

      • auth
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        25 months ago

        Can we see a list of instances that are blocked?

          • glibg10b
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            35 months ago

            I just made that issue, what a coincidence lol

              • glibg10b
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                25 months ago

                It’s been fixed. Now we just need to wait for the next version to be deployed :)

              • glibg10b
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                25 months ago

                The fix is live

          • @Wes_Dev
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            15 months ago

            Huh, kind of wish there was a column with a few words on why each one was blocked. Kind of curious about them, but don’t want to get myself put on a list by visiting the wrong server, you know?

      • @lud@lemm.ee
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        15 months ago

        If I remember correctly it doesn’t block comments from instance users, only posts which could already be archived by using apps.

        A shame but better than nothing I guess.

        • 𝘋𝘪𝘳𝘬
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          15 months ago

          it doesn’t block comments from instance users, only posts

          Which is enough for me.

          which could already be archived by using apps

          And that’s the thing here: You don’t need any apps anymore because it is implemented serverside. I am also not a fan of apps in general (they don’t fit my “workflow”).

  • @aeharding@lemmy.world
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    165 months ago

    This is good to hear! Have you considered releasing more often with smaller sets of changes, for future releases? It seems like this will be quite the upgrade.

    • DessalinesOPMA
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      385 months ago

      Yep, we’d def prefer to do smaller releases, and we’ll try to make them more frequent and smaller in the future. The main reason this one was so delayed, is because of the large number of breaking changes, esp. w/ respect to authentication.

  • Lettuce eat lettuce
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    155 months ago

    Thank you so much for your work on this instance.

    How best to donate to help support?

  • Elsie
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    125 months ago

    Can somebody explain what this scaling sort thing is to me? I’ve heard it a lot, but I don’t know exactly what it does.

    • DessalinesOPMA
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      305 months ago

      It’s like hot sort, but gives a boost to inactive communities.

      • Elsie
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        75 months ago

        One feature I’m hearing about it this algorithm called scaling sort and apparently it’s supposed to boost smaller community posts up more. I was just curious as to how it works internally.

        • @maegul
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          85 months ago

          I had a little bit of a look at it a while ago.

          From memory it’s not really sophisticated. I think it divides a post’s score by the number of users its community has. So it’s not so different from upvotes / user.

          It may use monthly active users rather than absolute, I’m not sure.

    • @CharlesMangione@lemmy.world
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      85 months ago

      It’s like the other sort options, except it prioritizes communities with fewer subs, so that you’ll see content from smaller communities more often.

  • @nar
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    104 months ago

    I was just wondering: Instead of testing these potentially disruptive changes on the main website, why wouldn’t you make some testing instances where people can try everything out, like voyager, enterprise, and ds9 were back in the day?

    • @davelA
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      I don’t think this is a bad suggestion, but it’s worth noting that lemmy.ml is explicitly intended not to be the “main” Lemmy, or even a major one: What is lemmy.ml?

    • 7heo
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      14 months ago

      Yep, I’ve been enraged by this decision from day one. This is depressingly amateur. Let people join, let other developers make very cool apps, and then introduce a deeply breaking change in a minor version, and deploy it on the most active instance, with mere days of warning. Or “How to destroy all the progress made by Lemmy, in one small change”.

      I get it if the devs and admins of Lemmy.ml are paying too much out of their own pocket, and if they want users to literally go away, to mitigate that cost.

      But doing it in such an in such an insidious, demoralizing way, as opposed to being transparent with the costs and announcing (drastic) measures to mitigate that cost, is literally destroying most of the progress made so far, and driving most users back to reddit.

      As of today, the list of most active servers of the fediverse has only one Lemmy server (Lemmy.world), in ninth position, and that is the only Lemmy server in that list, over four pages… The Lemmy instances used to be in the middle of the first first 10 instances, with Lemmy.ml leading the way.

      Now, I guess the devs didn’t want to take those drastic measures, and tell people to they would be closing down their accounts, ordered by creation date, until the costs become bearable again. Because that would mean “admitting the Lemmy.ml experiment to show the world that people are, when given the opportunity, rising to the challenge, and putting in the effort, in true communist fashion, is actually a failure”. People aren’t ready for communism. Communism requires education, intelligence, and empathy/compassion. Our western societies are fostering the opposite traits. When we become educated, intelligent, and empathic or compassionate, it is in spite of our societies, not thanks to them.

      Now, a few people opened instances, but it wasn’t enough, and fast enough, when the “reddit migration” happened, to absorb the insane influx of users to Lemmy.ml.

      So I guess it is what it is, but it’s still sad and depressing…

  • @RickyRigatoni
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    105 months ago

    Yoooo I see the export/import settings thingie.