Yes, agreed. The problem is not that I disagree with some of those articles, but the constant flood of one sided articles pushing a certain manipulative agenda and the endless arguments when someone points out that fact.
I am also annoyed by the double standard that apparently that is ok in /c/europe but on a China community the exact same thing would get you banned immediately.
You’re literally mad about me posting on the current events in Europe. The economic crisis is translating into civil unrest across Europe, and it’s fuelling the rise of the right because the left is apparently not interested in engaging with these issues. You’re more than welcome to post stuff on /c/china and discuss things like an adult.
If you look at the history, I post maybe a couple of articles a day on /c/europe. Most of them also tend to come from mainstream sources. Seems like it’s more of an issue that I am the sole person posting more than anything. Do you really think that this qualifies as spamming the community and grounds for a ban?
I don’t think we’re disagreeing on anything here. It does seem like more people posting here would be the solution, and I’d be glad to see different perspectives from people actually leaving in Europe. FWIW I think this article that PoVoq replied to me provides excellent context for the protests in Netherlands. That could’ve been a great post to make, and the only reason I saw the article was cause I posted a different worse article covering the protests.
Different community can have different rules and guidelines. That’s the whole reason for everybody being able to create a sub/community. So that everyone who thinks that other rules would be more worthwhile can do so.
Similar ones to other such country/region communities. The idea in another comment here to require submitters to actually write a bit about the link they submit is good as it reduces the low effort drive-by spam and hopefully makes them actually read the article (but sadly that doesn’t help much when people have extreme cognitive bias).
I didn’t make the community, so don’t blame me here. Once again though, I’m very happy to discuss the context around the events the articles report. The article you posted in another thread was a good example, and I wonder why you didn’t post it on /c/europe yourself. That article provides a good overview and overarching context for the farmer protests, and as I’ve pointed out I agree with it entirely.
What I am seeing is that there is an energy crisis in Europe, it is very clearly having a severe impact on the economy, and it is affecting large numbers of people. This is translating into civil unrest in European countries. The narrative of the right is clearly appealing to people and right wing is doing mass recruitment.
You’ve dismissed the problem as being fictitious in every conversation we’ve had on the subject. Yet, if that was indeed the case then you wouldn’t be seeing far right mobs growing by the day.
So, you’re saying I’m responsible for the policy of /c/china even though I don’t moderate the community? You asked me how I would feel if you posted sources I disagree with, and I replied that I’m fine with that and we could discuss those sources. I’ll happily provide my perspective on why I disagree with these sources and if I think they’re incorrect then I’ll provide sources showing that. Stop trying to do personal attacks on me because you disagree with my views.
This is pathetic. There’s barely anyone ON Lemmy, of course someone actually using the website is going to stand out. You’re just dissatisfied with the results of your removed.
I encountered a similar situation modding /r/moderatepolitics. A user was flooding the subreddit with posts from right wing websites. They had the explicitly stated aim of tilting the predominant atmosphere on the sub towards being right wing. We eventually found the perfect rule: require everyone who made a post to provide a substantive starter comment, one that didn’t just summarize the article but instead was enough to start a discussion. This not only helped get conversations going, but also raised the bar to posting just enough to discourage article dumps.
That said, I think overall low traffic in /c/europe is the core problem. No rules short of outright censorship can help that.
Yes, agreed. The problem is not that I disagree with some of those articles, but the constant flood of one sided articles pushing a certain manipulative agenda and the endless arguments when someone points out that fact.
I am also annoyed by the double standard that apparently that is ok in /c/europe but on a China community the exact same thing would get you banned immediately.
Do you want to take over instead?
You’re literally mad about me posting on the current events in Europe. The economic crisis is translating into civil unrest across Europe, and it’s fuelling the rise of the right because the left is apparently not interested in engaging with these issues. You’re more than welcome to post stuff on /c/china and discuss things like an adult.
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If you look at the history, I post maybe a couple of articles a day on /c/europe. Most of them also tend to come from mainstream sources. Seems like it’s more of an issue that I am the sole person posting more than anything. Do you really think that this qualifies as spamming the community and grounds for a ban?
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I don’t think we’re disagreeing on anything here. It does seem like more people posting here would be the solution, and I’d be glad to see different perspectives from people actually leaving in Europe. FWIW I think this article that PoVoq replied to me provides excellent context for the protests in Netherlands. That could’ve been a great post to make, and the only reason I saw the article was cause I posted a different worse article covering the protests.
Oh let me start posting a bunch of Radio Free Asia articles on /c/china then /s
Different community can have different rules and guidelines. That’s the whole reason for everybody being able to create a sub/community. So that everyone who thinks that other rules would be more worthwhile can do so.
Sure, hence me requesting /c/europe as it is currently unmoderated and no rules are in place / enforced.
What kind of rules would you enforce?
Similar ones to other such country/region communities. The idea in another comment here to require submitters to actually write a bit about the link they submit is good as it reduces the low effort drive-by spam and hopefully makes them actually read the article (but sadly that doesn’t help much when people have extreme cognitive bias).
So you think that this rule doesn’t tackle your problem.
knock yourself out
I can’t because it is against the specifically stated rules of that community. See the double-standard at play here?
I didn’t make the community, so don’t blame me here. Once again though, I’m very happy to discuss the context around the events the articles report. The article you posted in another thread was a good example, and I wonder why you didn’t post it on /c/europe yourself. That article provides a good overview and overarching context for the farmer protests, and as I’ve pointed out I agree with it entirely.
What I am seeing is that there is an energy crisis in Europe, it is very clearly having a severe impact on the economy, and it is affecting large numbers of people. This is translating into civil unrest in European countries. The narrative of the right is clearly appealing to people and right wing is doing mass recruitment.
You’ve dismissed the problem as being fictitious in every conversation we’ve had on the subject. Yet, if that was indeed the case then you wouldn’t be seeing far right mobs growing by the day.
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So, you’re saying I’m responsible for the policy of /c/china even though I don’t moderate the community? You asked me how I would feel if you posted sources I disagree with, and I replied that I’m fine with that and we could discuss those sources. I’ll happily provide my perspective on why I disagree with these sources and if I think they’re incorrect then I’ll provide sources showing that. Stop trying to do personal attacks on me because you disagree with my views.
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This is pathetic. There’s barely anyone ON Lemmy, of course someone actually using the website is going to stand out. You’re just dissatisfied with the results of your removed.
This is specifically about the /c/Europe community and not Lemmy, and yes quality over quantity.
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I encountered a similar situation modding /r/moderatepolitics. A user was flooding the subreddit with posts from right wing websites. They had the explicitly stated aim of tilting the predominant atmosphere on the sub towards being right wing. We eventually found the perfect rule: require everyone who made a post to provide a substantive starter comment, one that didn’t just summarize the article but instead was enough to start a discussion. This not only helped get conversations going, but also raised the bar to posting just enough to discourage article dumps.
That said, I think overall low traffic in /c/europe is the core problem. No rules short of outright censorship can help that.