Completely and utterly destroying your entire continent to own the
orcsRussians and to lick papa US’s boot. Just Europe things.I usually try to look at what can be gained here but after months of looking I still can’t see it. What’s the end game for our European leaders here? Because this seems to be the most incompetent, visionless leadership I’ve ever seen in Europe.
I mean, this is typical behavior of comprador politicians. Europeans have been living in the illusion that they have democracy, when in reality, their quality of life was only possible due to them being a junior partner of US imperialism. This continent isn’t even sovereign.
They were just lucky enough they lived next door with the USSR. Their capitalist class wouldn’t be able to oppress them in the same way they oppress other third world countries, because socialist revolution was always a possibility. Greece and Portugal came very close, and Italy and France had huge communist parties. But now that the gullible complacent Western masses have allowed themselves to become demobilized and disarmed, its quite easy to just implement brutal regimes here and bleed them dry.
I guess it was only a matter of time, before the EU’s imperialist practices finally came home.
Maybe war is, thinking about it. Maybe war is the goal.
War between EU and Russia?
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As does the IMF
Maybe don’t antagonize the country that’s giving you your gas next time.
this proxy war really sucks
I’ve been watching The Duran recently, and they’ve gone full Armageddon. Are they exaggerating or is Europe really going to become part of the Third World?
Europe’s biggest fear - living like those they look down at
I think they’re pretty spot on actually. Around 60% of energy that Europe was getting from Russia has no replacement. Industry is already shutting down all across Europe, around 70% of fertilizer production capacity has halted, and steel mills are shutting down.
This is apocalyptic because it’s going to lead to mass unemployment, and destroy the industrial capacity in Europe. European companies that do manufacturing are already moving their production to Asia right now, and it’s never coming back.
Fertilizer is the most concerning part of all though because without fertilizer Europe will not be able to have decent harvests next year. So, it might be possible that Europe will have enough supplies to last the winter, but once that’s gone then there is no way to replace food or energy at that point.
Wow we’re really fucked. To think people here are laughing at the Russian economy… Euros have no clue what’s gonna hit them. Not gonna lie, the sadistic side in me is looking forward to see the European ego getting decimated.
When this war started I was expecting people to not care that much. I even expected some to point out the hypocrisy of the West considering we destroyed Iraq, Libya, Syria and Afghanistan in the last 2 decades. But this war fervor I saw everyone embarking on, made me disgusted at Europeans. Maybe there really is no hope, and this is a necessary step in our redemption.
But this war fervor I saw everyone embarking on, made me disgusted at Europeans.
Here in the US, it reminds me of the 2003 Iraq war fervor. I was only 13 at the time. I remembered 9/11 and the subsequent start of the war in Afghanistan. But 2003 in Iraq was my first time really properly understanding what war meant and entailed. And as the war dragged on, as the WMDs kept not being found and as the insurgency grew, as I aged into adulthood and college and watched friends come back from the desert as hollow, broken shells of their former selves, I resolved never to take anything the state or mass media had to say about war at face value ever again.
Apparently not everyone understood the assignment though.
I’d argue it’s even worse now. These Ukronazis have loads of Nazi insignia on display and Westoids couldn’t care less. Like you point that out, and they either say the Russians are the fascists or that these Nazis deserve support for fighting the Russians. It’s sickening.
Yeah, watching the frenzy over this in the west has been pretty wild given things NATO has done over the years. In fact, the whole thing is directly modelled on what NATO did in Yugoslavia. NATO recognized the independence of the breakaway regions, then had them invite NATO for support, and hold referendums on independence. This is literally the model that Russia is using right now in Ukraine.
Europe clearly misunderstood the state of economic interdependence with Russia, and the economic war was started based on the idea that Russian economy would quickly collapse. The reality turned out to be that Russia is self sufficient in essentials such as food, energy, and industrial production while Europe is not.
Seems like most Europeans, including the leadership, have been drinking their own kool-aid when it comes to Russia. This seems to be the source of all the bravado. People simply don’t have a grasp on how the economies of their countries actually work.
At this point Europe will be learning its place in the world through a very hard objective lesson.
Euros have no clue what’s gonna hit them.
Eh, we’ve been promised that for ages. Still waiting.
European ego getting decimated.
Like that’s ever going to happen. If anything, it will only whip said ego into murderous frenzy - as evidenced by the rapid rise of open fascists in European governments.
I was expecting people to not care that much
Nah, the propaganda was in preparation for years.
Eh, we’ve been promised that for ages. Still waiting.
I get that, catastrophism is a very popular narrative. I remain skeptical as well.
I know there’s already the obvious “lol get owned global capital” comments but can we take a moment to imagine the world where a labor led UK discovered North Sea oil, nationalized it’s reserves, and remained in the EU as the predominant energy source for the region instead of neoliberalism pushing exploitative industry to the periphery like that strategy would never come back to haunt them?
:( I know. Truly a tragedy.
Corbyn was right
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How screwed are we in this case?
I just did a quick comparison of average temperatures from where I grew up in North America to where I live now in Europe. Both places are within a few degrees latitude of each other. The Gulf Stream keeps average temperatures somewhere around 5°C warmer in Europe than in North America. Knowing that a 2°C rise in global average temperatures will be catastrophic I can’t even imagine what 5°C means, even just for a small part of the globe. That of course ignores other effects on local climate such as nearby seas, mountains, deserts, etc. but a 5°C reduction in average temperatures over the European continent as a whole could be a starting point. Considering that Ukranian and Russian grain exports plug a lot of gaps in harvest vs demand shortfalls in other parts of the world, it could mean the starvation of tens if not hundreds of millions of people if it were to happen quickly enough. European countries would be unable to grow enough food to feed themselves and energy use for heating would increase many times over.
So pretty much fucked. Thank you.
Ukraine and Russia have continental climates, they are not as affected by the Gulf Stream as the western European states. They will be fine (except that Ukraine is being destroyed by a war, but that’s another matter), but Britain, France, Germany maybe even Spain (which already has problems with water shortages) will see crop failures and a collapse of agriculture. They will be even more dependent on the US and Russia as a result. Europe will become even more of a colony of Washington than it already is, conditions will approach those in the global south with the difference that the global south will be rising along with China whereas the US is in terminal decline and will squeeze Europe dry to slow down that decline for as long as there is anything left to squeeze.
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From what I remember from comparing latitudes, mine corresponds to somewhere far in Canada, those areas where pretty much nobody lives. Fun.
Thanks.
Mine is under the Great Bear Lake.
That’s even colder, dang
I think I’ll be fine. Texas is a shithole and living in a cooler place would be nicer. I hate hotter environments.
according to a comrade geographer, the gulf stream has already collapsed 2-3 times in the last decade, and is due for another collapse. this results in warmer mid and southern atlantic and indian ocean temperature differentials. over 3 weeks ago a climatic event due to he weakening gulf stream increased the intensity of monsoon conditions and lead to the devastating flooding in Pakistan.
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Dude this article is from 1 year ago.
Energy is always going to be a critical resource, but a little perspective: last month there were days I was getting paid to use energy.
It really sucks that we’re moving so slowly on installing more renewables though. Relying on external energy is always going to be a problem otherwise
Dude this post is from 10 months ago, why are you commenting on it?
Indeed, it is from a year ago. And it was posted 10 months ago, and every other comment in this thread is from 10 months ago.
Did you think this was just posted? What point are you trying to make?
