for me its not a open society. Chinese citizen’s don’t live in what Karl popper calls a open society. and although he was a Libertarian he has a good point. a open society is a society where you have freedom of speech meaning you can criticize the government a society where you have the right to assemble and march for political goals. this is important as it allows for minority’s to stand for better treatment by there neighbors. it also allows for society to develop based on a output by the minority resulting in a society where less people suffer.
China is far more democratic than most western countries, even and especially in the workplace. Any given sinophobe can call China “not open”, when they have no idea how its political system works.
- Is China a democracy?
- Workplace democracy in action in the CPC.
- What kind of democracy does China have, and how is it different from the west?
- In contrast to low US political approval ratings, 96% of Chinese are satisfied with the national government (Edelmans 2016). World Values Surveys says that 83% think the country is run for their benefit rather than for the benefit of special groups. A Harvard research center study of long-term public opinion survey finds that > 95% of Chinese citizens approved their government. How is this possible in a one-party state? (TED talk by Eric X Li)
- How does China’s political system work?
- How are Chinese leaders elected / chosen? How meristocratic is the system? How do elections differ from those in western bourgeois democracies?
- Who runs China? Makeup of the national people’s congress.
- US policy-makers are misjudging popular support China’s Government.
- The american dream is alive… in China.
free speech
Meanwhile UK infiltrates AntiBadger Culling groups and has State spies have sex with activists and even father children with them…
For the crime of handing out leaflets
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/jun/24/undercover-police-spy-girlfriend-child
And in US you cant even run for public office if youre a communist. Such a joke!
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i have no respect for China, and i don’t understand why other leftists support it. They aren’t communist or socialist, they just aren’t. You only have to look at their wealth and wage inequality stats to realise this.
China has lifted more people out of poverty than any country in human history. It is not “state capitalist”, its a mixed economy with the private sector under the thumb of the CPC.
- The backbone of the economy is state ownership and socialist planning. 24 / 25 of the top revenue companies are state-owned and planned. 70% of the top 500 companies are State-owned. 1, 2
- The real wage (IE the wage adjusted for the prices you pay) has gone up 4x in the past 25 years, more than any other country. This is staggering considering it’s the most populous country on the planet. The US real wage by comparison is lower in 2019 than it was in 1973.
- Is modern day china communist? Is it staying true to communist values?
- Didn’t China go Capitalist with Deng Xiaoping? Didn’t it liberalize its economy? Is China’s drastic decrease in poverty a result of the increase in free market capitalist policies?
- Is the CPC committed to communism?
- The Long Game and Its Contradictions.
Thank you for those links, I’ll check them out later this evening if I have time.
i just don’t understand why its wealth inequality and wage inequality are so great. Why do billionaires exist in China at all?
Read the links for why. Wealth inequality doesn’t go away overnight, its a long process, and an inevitable result of not decoupling from the world economy. Also:
Hopefully the links persuade me because i don’t LIKE being anti-China when so many other leftists look up to them.
I just don’t understand how having billionaires impacts their ability to partake of the global economy. Why can’t they just tax income over $100,000 at 100% or something? That’s a genuine question. Why not?
The number one most important aspect of communism, to me, is workers not being exploited for their excess labour value and receiving the full value of their labour. If you don’t have that, what’s the point in claiming to be communist? And China doesn’t have that. China’s workers are exploited just like many capitalist countries, and if you take income inequality as a measure of exploitation (which I think works well) then China’s workers are exploited MORE than workers in many capitalist countries. And so, as somebody who thinks that ending exploitation of workers and allowing them to receive the full value of their labour is the most important aspect of communism, that’s why I struggle to support China. And so far nothing I’ve read about it justifies this to me. I hope your links change that.
It should be said, because you said “China’s workers are exploited just like many capitalist countries”, that China often gets blamed for the working conditions in Taiwan and Hong Kong. And foreign business owners set the working conditions in mainland factories. The government has been doing a lot to reduce the “sweatshops”, which includes putting restrictions on foreign business owners and nationalizing industries that tend to be hotbeds for poor working conditions.
But, it should also be stated, that (something like) 1 in 5 workers are a part of the communist party, and thus get a voice in their community about workers rights. Chinese workers aren’t being exploited in the same ways American workers are, despite American corporations trying to exploit them the same. You can read the previously supplied links for a better understanding of that. Regardless, you seem to be assuming the foreign business owner’s factories represent the working rights of the entire nation, which is untrue.
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sad
I mean yeah it sucks ass they have billionares too but at least they execute one or two occasionally to keep them in line.
edit: not pro death penalty, just saying there are consequences for billionares in China. not something that can be said for the US.
Your post is suspect ngl.
in what way? would say that this is a frustratingly typical response to any criticism of China that I’ve seen quite often in some leftist circles.
