for me its not a open society. Chinese citizen’s don’t live in what Karl popper calls a open society. and although he was a Libertarian he has a good point. a open society is a society where you have freedom of speech meaning you can criticize the government a society where you have the right to assemble and march for political goals. this is important as it allows for minority’s to stand for better treatment by there neighbors. it also allows for society to develop based on a output by the minority resulting in a society where less people suffer.

  • AdamW@lemmygrad.ml
    2·
    4 years ago

    Thank you for those links, I’ll check them out later this evening if I have time.

    i just don’t understand why its wealth inequality and wage inequality are so great. Why do billionaires exist in China at all?

      • AdamW@lemmygrad.ml
        32·
        4 years ago

        Hopefully the links persuade me because i don’t LIKE being anti-China when so many other leftists look up to them.

        I just don’t understand how having billionaires impacts their ability to partake of the global economy. Why can’t they just tax income over $100,000 at 100% or something? That’s a genuine question. Why not?

        The number one most important aspect of communism, to me, is workers not being exploited for their excess labour value and receiving the full value of their labour. If you don’t have that, what’s the point in claiming to be communist? And China doesn’t have that. China’s workers are exploited just like many capitalist countries, and if you take income inequality as a measure of exploitation (which I think works well) then China’s workers are exploited MORE than workers in many capitalist countries. And so, as somebody who thinks that ending exploitation of workers and allowing them to receive the full value of their labour is the most important aspect of communism, that’s why I struggle to support China. And so far nothing I’ve read about it justifies this to me. I hope your links change that.

        • Star Wars Enjoyer @lemmygrad.ml
          5·
          4 years ago

          It should be said, because you said “China’s workers are exploited just like many capitalist countries”, that China often gets blamed for the working conditions in Taiwan and Hong Kong. And foreign business owners set the working conditions in mainland factories. The government has been doing a lot to reduce the “sweatshops”, which includes putting restrictions on foreign business owners and nationalizing industries that tend to be hotbeds for poor working conditions.

          But, it should also be stated, that (something like) 1 in 5 workers are a part of the communist party, and thus get a voice in their community about workers rights. Chinese workers aren’t being exploited in the same ways American workers are, despite American corporations trying to exploit them the same. You can read the previously supplied links for a better understanding of that. Regardless, you seem to be assuming the foreign business owner’s factories represent the working rights of the entire nation, which is untrue.

    • StolenStalin@lemmygrad.ml
      1·
      4 years ago

      I mean yeah it sucks ass they have billionares too but at least they execute one or two occasionally to keep them in line.

      edit: not pro death penalty, just saying there are consequences for billionares in China. not something that can be said for the US.