UPDATE: ADMIN STATEMENT IN COMMENTS

Leadership of Lemmy has dug in their heels and shown that they will be slow to remove overt homophobia, sexism, and transphobia on this platform. Administration will spend hours or days of effort defending these people to justify a ban that would be instant on other platforms.

You are not safe here. I recommend migrating to either Lemmygrad.ml or Hexbear.net (Hexbear being much less sectarian but the people on Lemmygrad are very cool 😎). Please take care out there. Fuck the patriarchy! Trans rights are human rights! ✊

Receipts:

https://lemmy.ml/post/470384/comment/276139

https://lemmy.ml/post/89596/comment/92129

https://lemmy.ml/post/470384/comment/275398

  • DessalinesA
    261·
    2 years ago

    Sry just logging on now. I banned a couple of the transphobes, and the main one banned himself before I got a chance to do so.

    @TheConquestOfBed@lemmy.ml I made a bunch of recommendations for how to fix this systemically in our admin chat. Some of them here:

    1. We need to ban transphobes here faster (no bigotry is already in our sidebar, but for some reason transphobia isn’t explicitly named, so I’m gonna try to add that).
    2. We should consider people’s activity outside this instance when deciding whether to ban. Looking at it now, its silly to not consider a person’s full internet persona. Not that we need to have foreknowledge of what they’ve done, but when things are brought to our attention, we need to act on them.
    3. Me and nutomic need to do less moderating, and more coding. Even tho this is the dev instance, we need to have some more separation between ppl coding for lemmy, and those moderating it. Moderating is a much worse use of our time anyway than coding or fixing things.
    4. We need to appoint more moderators, because its clear these things weren’t attended to quickly enough.

    Also I apologize for not getting to these things quickly enough, and want to thank you, @seanchai@lemmygrad.ml , @AgreeableLandscape@lemmy.ml, and everyone else for your work in that thread yesterday.

    • TheConquestOfBedOP
      18·
      2 years ago

      I appreciate it, but I’m going to be a little wary until I see it in action. I see too many places become uncomfortable for PoC and LGBT comrades who feel they have nowhere else to go, because every place they do end up pushes them out in the end.

      I think you might benefit from checking out hexbear for a bit to see the difference in user activity (there’s a lot of user activity). It’s like night and day from here and they had their transphobia struggle session like 2 years ago. Once all the shitty people were gone, everyone got comfortable and actually started to talk to each other.

    • AgreeableLandscape
      161·
      2 years ago

      We should consider people’s activity outside this instance when deciding whether to ban. Looking at it now, its silly to not consider a person’s full internet persona. Not that we need to have foreknowledge of what they’ve done, but when things are brought to our attention, we need to act on them.

      Absolutely agree. Like I said on the other thread, we don’t need to vet everyone by actively hunting down their external profiles (more because it’s a ton of work for the admins and Lemmy is pseudoanonymous so it would be really hard), but if someone makes any of their other profiles known on their Lemmy account and especially if they’re advertising it, we should never be willfully blind to that in our moderation decisions.

      For the speed of moderation thing, I hope I can continue to mod as I see fit based on the rules, and if anyone think it’s an overstep, they should message me. I’m terminally online so I see most of the reports first, and sometimes I hold off on removing them just because I’m worried that you guys will get mad. Like, I hope I’m not getting strikes and risking being kicked off the admin team.

    • Seanchaí (she/her)@lemmygrad.ml
      14·
      2 years ago

      Honestly, I actually think within a day is pretty quick turnaround for action, and I don’t think it would have seemed like action was slow to most if there had been no admin activity during that period, instead of uh…admin activity in that very thread.

      Thanks for letting us know the steps that’ll be taken, hope that seeing it in practice will lead to a lot more cool discussions, I’d really rather not feel like I am meant to just stick to lemmygrad local, federation is such a cool concept

    • snek_boi
      1·
      2 years ago

      I don’t know if this is the place for it, but I can mod if you find my posting and reporting history appropriate for the task.