Okay, to be clear, I’m not actually saying you should do drugs. I just found this picture funny and kind of insightful. I intended the title not to be a command, but as an 'if this then that" observation.

    • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml
      167·
      2 years ago

      Yeah but note that people from imperialist countries are generally pro drug, and people from imperialized countries are against. Even regardless how even in the imperialist countries drugs are heavily adverse to the working class, this clearly points that in the capitalism we all should be anti drugs, since drugs are the enemy weapons in the class war.

      EDIT: i’m incredibly disappointed how prodrugs you guys are here or rather, how loud the prodrugs minority here is. Oh well, nothing new in english-speaking internet communities, much less than on reddit actually. FYI i’m not for prohibition because that rarily work, especially now when western devil is out of the box - before if worked pretty well in socialist countries not being infiltrated by the western druglords, which is yet another proof how much the entire drug issue (or monolith as one nitpicker below tried to say) is an issue of class war and systemic opression. I’m for legalisation of mild substances, but also strict reglamentation and control. Dealers get wall, especially in socialism when they will have no soapy excuses i will undobtedly hear for the scum who “have no other option” than to prey on the working class now in capitalism.

      • mylifeforaiur@lemmygrad.ml
        122·
        2 years ago

        For a scientific approach, you must stop categorizing “drugs” as a monolithic block. Each drug must be analyzed and appropriately regulated to balance the good they do against the harm they cause.

      • Leninismydad@lemmygrad.ml
        92·
        2 years ago

        First thing, I was born and raised in Ireland to an Irish parent and a Chinese (supporter of the PRC) parent and spend most of my time now between China and Vietnam for work.

        Drugs (classically illegal drugs) are also incredibly important to many non-oppressive groups as well though, involved in their spirituality and culture, independent of imperialism/capitalism. Plus things like Cannabis, Psilocybin, MDMA, Ketamine, LSD, all have health benefits (physical and mental health), low rates of addiction, and for all but ketamine (which is still not a problem until higher doses), practically bring no risk to physical health if the drugs are pure.

        I think being anti-drug actually creates a lot of reactionary politics instead of solving the underlying issues why many use drugs (mental health, abuse, social exclusion, disability). Making them illegal and heavily criminalizing them creates a sub-class of criminal and others to be scapegoated and ostracized, without ever solving the problems.

        To be honest, I have found China’s response to drugs understandable (due to the history of opiates in particular as a tool of imperialism) but incredibly reactionary in modern times. Drug use is increasing in China in young people and some of the policies towards drug use are absolutely exasperating this issue. (the same thing is happening in basically every country that has reactionary policies on drugs).

        Plus on a side note, as an occasional recreational user of cannabis (maybe once a month, depending on what country I’m in, sometimes more if I’m in vacation), I see no issue with it being fully legal, with obvious limitations on use for age.

      • SovereignState@lemmygrad.ml
        82·
        2 years ago

        unscientific

        edit: in fact, in light of your edit, not only unscientific but totally moralistic and idealistic. Similar to the patsoc bullshit, you can hide behind your Polishness to obfuscate your own western biases but they still shine through. Speaking down to comrades on this topic is quite despicable when it’s blatantly obvious you’ve done no research. Down-voting comrades w/ actual scientific analysis of the drug situation w/o responding is also just petty. Just want to restate that substances like psilocybin and peyote and ayahuasca are incredibly important to many imperialized people, and attempting to draw a “pro-drug” vs “anti-drug” dichotomy between the west and east or the global north and global south is a damned fool’s errand with no merit in historical or material fact. The true dichotomy is “pro-drug when it suppresses our enemies” and “anti-drug when it suppresses our enemies”, both lines held by the intl. bourgeoisie against the working class. If introducing heroin will destabilize and destroy a community, they are pro-drug. If psilocybin is being used for spiritual practices by a native pop., they are anti-drug. This is more complicated than kneejerk reaction and the painting of a dishonest picture.

              • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml
                42·
                2 years ago

                The difference is we have acsess to so much sociological theory as to why drugs are not as bad now that continuing there stance on it is reactionary.

                Bullshit. We do know more about it, true, but still did nothing with that knowledge. Imperialist and compradors are still enslaving people with the drugs and booze just as in XIX century. And they do know better how to do it too.

                If you really think the USSRs drug policy is something worth emulating, they literally just copied the UNs drug policy lol.

                Again, zero understanding. Even if politics was the same, conditions weren’t. Drug problem was very minor in USSR and generally in socialist countries in Europe, not because or despite of their drug politics but because it was not a problem before socialism too (unlike alcoholism), and the socialism did not allow imperialist to freely peddle that shit around. When socialism collapsed, narcotics became immediate and huge problem everywhere in a single year or two. Despite drug policy in this countries remaining mostly unchanged!

                If you did read Lenin you would know he calls for working with the underclass, not executing them as you seem to think is acceptable.

                That is painful ignorance. Lenin literally intitured prohibition in USSR (which did not worked so it was removed) - i don’t think how else he would react to let’s say opioid epidemic.

                And ease with your “underclass” nonsense, you drug preachers always conflate organized crime and working class. Nobody want to criminalize planting cannabis for fucks sake, just the opposite (again, the conditions changed since 1989 which i noted before, but you just of course ignored it and started to preach about USSR laws), but dealers just as other deadly parasites get wall.

                Its unscientific and yes, reactionary.

                Your posts certainly are both.

                  • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml
                    22·
                    2 years ago

                    Holy shit that’s delusional. It’s nothing but “drugs good” at this point. And this part:

                    lets hope no goverment ever makes a drug you need to survive illegal buddy, I dont think you would have the same attitude.

                    Is just heinously bad faith. You do know exactly what i know about “drugs” but you hide between english language. Narcotics, we are talking about narcotics. Or do you, “Ghost of Faso”, think the drugs Sankara imported were heroin and LSD?