• @Noughmad@programming.dev
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    Yeah, you can call yourself a leftist all you want, but when 90% of your posts is calling Biden and Zelensky Nazis but you never criticize Putin or Trump, I get certain doubts.

  • marx_mentat [he/him, comrade/them]
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    I forgot how ignorant and self-righteous Reddit liberals were. The ones I’ve seen are easily the loudest and dumbest people on this network of federated instances. They have their “conviction” and “is wrong” sliders completely maxed out.

        • @AnomalousBit@programming.dev
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          Since you can’t see the irony in your initial comment, let me spell it out for you in a way you might be able to understand:

          You drone on about maxed convictions while being wrong. But, you’re literally doing the same thing that you whine pointlessly about: your original comment is nothing but a shitty, baseless generalized opinion about a large group of people, with zero substance.

          But you keep fighting the fight, big dog!

          • marx_mentat [he/him, comrade/them]
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            Thank you so much for showing me that not every liberal I meet here will be ignorant and self-righteous. I can no longer say that has been the totality of my experience with them. I now have hope that my next encounter will be just as positive as this one was.

          • muddi [he/him]
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            Is there a base case or do the layers of irony go on to infinity?

            Person: says something

            Another person: this other person has no nuance

            Yet another person: this other person has no nuance, ironically

            Yet another person: this other person has no nuance, ironically

            (ad infinitum)

            Maybe this is just dialectics, although a little snarky

      • AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]
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        Okay just… there’s no such thing as ‘self’ projecting. It’s just projecting. That’s redundant.

        And nothing they said is untrue. What kind of self flagellation is required to just say a type of political person is bad? Do you need permission from a conservative to talk shit about their faults?

        • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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          66 months ago

          In fairness dumb liberals have a hegemonic control of media, government, culture, and public opinion in the US and most of the EU, with the exception being almost entirely fascists.

          I hate to quote a fascist beast like Patton, but; " “They’ve got us surrounded again, the poor bastards.”

          We don’t have to go looking for liberal ignorance, violence, cowardice, and foolishness. It’s everywhere in every direction.

        • Gormadt
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          Woah there, you can’t forget about the Russia/China apologia as well

          • MemesAreTheory [he/him, any]
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            Says the natoid lmao

            Two things can actually be bad at once you know. Understanding geo politics doesn’t mean support. The world isn’t a marvel movie.

            • Gormadt
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              Not only can 2 things be bad but 2 things can be different degrees of bad.

              I’d rather live in a country where I can openly criticize those in power without risk to my personal well-being and have the possibility for pushing my government towards positive ends.

              Yeah there’s some risk associated with protesting in the US but at least I don’t have to worry about the going to the gulag or a tiananmen square situation.

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                I mean, I should have known you’d regurgitate the propaganda, but it’s always a disappointment anyway. Such a stupid response, too. That’s basically a non-sequitur. For one, there being two evils does not necessitate siding with the lesser. You can acknowledge there are no good guys, and instead pick the position most likely to lead to the least amount of suffering over all. That is and will always be peace, but you blood thirsty natoids just can’t imagine that. Your response is also dumb as hell given that modern Russia is a capitalist state, not the USSR lmao. Bringing up Gulags is a bit like bringing up slave plantations in the USA… except the USSR is actually completely dissolved so its even less relevant. For the record, the US still legally permits slavery in the instance of criminal conviction. Say, sure would be wild if the US disproportionately policed and convicted black and brown people, wouldn’t it? That’d seem like a loophole legitimizing slavery over time! But that’s just whatabouttism so feel free to ignore it like a good little natoid. You’re grossly ignorant regarding tiananmen square as well, but I won’t bother citing anything since you’ll just dismiss it out of hand.

                Instead, I’ll ask what are your thoughts on the repression of Black Lives Matter, Occupy Wall Street, Ireland Independence, French Yellow Vests/Public Benefits/Police Racism, and so on and so forth in “Free” and “Democratic” countries? What about the United States having the highest incarceration rate in the world, largely filled with black and brown people subjected to forced labor while in prison? What would happen if your “protest” did more than carry signs in publicly designated and permitted areas? Wouldn’t you be beaten, arrested, and convicted under the fullest extent of the law? So sorry that you’re so cucked you can’t imagine doing more than asking your leaders nicely for change and politely going home when they say no, but real protest is certainly illegal in “Free” Western countries, and if you ever actually engaged in it you’d see exactly how brutal those governments can be.

                Principled communists aren’t unapologetic supporters of every single thing socialist countries do/have done, but we take issue with the nakedly hypocritical framing from Western powers. The atomic unit of propaganda is emphasis. You ignorantly reduce entire foreign countries to a single word/event while myopically ignoring the conditions before and after, but hem and haw and whine about nuance and procedure and the necessity of the barbarity around us every day… When you’re not ignoring it outright that is. That’s what makes you a useful idiot to our own system of oppression. It’s an embarrassment.

              • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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                Yeah there’s some risk associated with protesting in the US but at least I don’t have to worry about the going to the gulag

                Good thing protestors in the US and UK don’t get arrested on flimsy charges or crippled or murdered by cops blob-no-thoughts

              • marx_mentat [he/him, comrade/them]
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                116 months ago

                Snowden, Assange, manning, dozens of maimed protestors and the largest prison system in the world would like a word with you after seeing what you just posted here.

    • Dinodicchellathicc
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      I swear to god I’ll buy sync premium if they give the ability to sort by controversial. This is the stupidest more redditesque thread I’ve run into and i don’t want to miss anymore.

    • @socsa
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      I’ll take that over believing pig shit memes are reasonable discourse any day.

  • Sleazy_Albanese [comrade/them]
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    Even im weirded out by how thoroughly the left was suppressed on reddit and other platforms. People on reddit only saw themselves mirrored and thought they were the only ones who existed.

  • Echo71Niner
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    No one wants to talk about the thousands of extra bots that reddit released during the blackout and afterwards to keep up with the illusion. A whole lot of sub users on reddit are engaging with bots. In fact, some gullible people think r/place is run by users, and not the thousands of bots run by different subs, as well as reddit admins.

  • @BigNote@lemm.ee
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    Yeah, it’s so strange that people confuse you with a Kremlin bot when you repeatedly spew the same fucking bullshit talking points as the bots themselves.

  • keepcarrot [she/her]
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    386 months ago

    In order to counter the Trump bot accusations going on this thread:

    The Trump appointed Supreme Justices are conservative stooges that are clearly just trying to ram through as much conservative stuff into the justice system as they can. The cagey abortion rights the US enjoyed (though sometimes not in practicality) were abolished, which is bad. There were in fact a lot of posts about this on hexbear at the time it was happening. You can now search this if you so desire.

    Trump escalated sanctions against Cuba. This comes up from time to time, but he’s obviously not in a position to directly affect this at this precise moment, though the cudgel of “swing state” Florida Cubans is used to avoid any de-escalation.

    Trump-supporting state legislatures are escalating attacks against trans people, both as a practical threat (bigots can attack trans people under the assumption that their state’s law enforcement won’t do anything about it) and as a legal escalation to remove any federal protections for trans people. This is also bad. Trump is also partly running on this. This comes up frequently on hexbear.

    Trump didn’t succeed in the wall (which itself has had varied response amongst his supporters), but he did increase funding for ICE, expanded detention camps etc. This comes up when it’s in the news, but Trump specific policies don’t tend to be news regarding this right now for some reason.

    Trump’s tax cuts for certain sectors and the ultra-wealthy. idk why you’d think hexbear would support this?

    and so on

    I’m not sure why I’m doing this. I’m not sure why people are surprised that a news aggregation and commentary site tends to talk about things that are currently happening as opposed to things that happened three years ago.

  • Snart
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    Tankies when you don’t want your country to fall into fascism.

  • @Cleverdawny@lemm.ee
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    What’s the difference between a fascist and an “anarchist” who does everything they can to kneecap the only viable left leaning political party in the US?

    There’s no practical difference, just window dressing. They both cheer on oppression and pain for those suffering under Republicans.

    And don’t even get me started on communists. Left and right authoritarians, I’ve gotten death threats from both of them. Whether it’s some leftist telling me I would “get the wall” when the Revolution comes or some fucking Republican telling me that the US was only for Christians and that they’ll go after “traitors” soon, you get to the same fucking place at the end of the day. The only real difference is that there’s far more Republicans, and they’re far more organized than left authoritarians.

    • Dr. Jenkem
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      bOtH sIdEs

      This is why libs get clowned on so hard. You claim to support “the only viable left leaning political party”, and yet you’re kneecapping large swaths of people on the ground engaging in direct action advancing left leaning values. Remember, segregation wasn’t ended because black people voted, blood was spilt in the streets. Same with the LGBT community, see the stonewall uprising, aka, the first pride parade.

      I don’t care how you vote, but if you can’t see the difference between an anarchist engaging in direct action against an oppressive state and fascists doing hate crimes; well, I’d say it’s time to get off your high horse and do a little introspection.

      • @Cleverdawny@lemm.ee
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        yet you’re kneecapping large swaths of people on the ground engaging in direct action advancing left leaning values

        Direct action is meaningless if you’re hostile to building a coalition broad enough to actually gain any significant political power. It doesn’t matter how many lit memes anarchists and communists share on social media and how much they horn on about “direct action,” this is a democracy and without votes going to candidates who can win, it is ultimately meaningless.

        You want me to do some introspection? I did. I remember being young and convinced socialism was the way forward. Then I grew the fuck up and did some introspection.

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          Direct action is meaningless if you’re hostile to building a coalition broad enough to actually gain any significant political power.

          Spoken like someone who’s never done organizing, participated in protests or any other direct action. You’re a keyboard warrior who’s probably never even interacted with a socialist IRL.

          this is a democracy and without votes going to candidates who can win, it is ultimately meaningless.

          Not a democracy and also I already gave 2 examples showing the contrary.

          I remember being young and convinced socialism was the way forward. Then I grew the fuck up and did some introspection.

          No need to be a condescending dick. I’m also guessing I’m older than you, not that it’s relevant.

          • @Cleverdawny@lemm.ee
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            I’ve participated in dozens of protests. Protests with political organization can lead to change. Protests without political organization are just yelling at a wall.

            No need to be a condescending dick.

            If you don’t want someone to take offense at what you write, don’t smugly tell them to learn introspection. Act like an arrogant dick, get treated like an arrogant dick.

            • Dr. Jenkem
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              Protests with political organization can lead to change. Protests without political organization are just yelling at a wall.

              Right… I’m not sure why you think I’m not in favor of organized resistance.

              If you don’t want someone to take offense at what you write, don’t smugly tell them to learn introspection. Act like an arrogant dick, get treated like an arrogant dick.

              You were doing a “both sides” between anarchists and fascists, eerily similar to Trump, while claiming to be “left leaning”. I think my response was warranted, if not understated. But frankly, that’s plain ignorant.

              • @Cleverdawny@lemm.ee
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                Like I said, attempting to degrade the only left leaning political coalition means someone is hostile to any sort of positive left leaning activism. If that doesn’t describe a given anarchist, then what I said doesn’t apply to them. If it does, then they might as well be a Trumpster.

                • Dr. Jenkem
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                  Who or what is this sole “left leaning political coalition”? If you’re referring to Democrats they are neither left leaning nor a coalition. They are a center-right political party. Coalition implies multiple parties. And the Democratic party isn’t exactly known for activism, unless you’re counting fundraising events.

            • epicspongee [they/them or he/him]
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              I’ve participated in dozens of protests. Protests with political organization can lead to change. Protests without political organization are just yelling at a wall.

              Protests !== organizing. Organizing achieves political change. Protest does not. Leftists know how to organize, liberals do not.

          • @socsa
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            This is unnecessary aggro, and you are the only one here making sweeping assumptions.

        • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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          I remember being young and convinced socialism was the way forward.

          Did you actually do any studying about socialism during this phase, or is this the “Che Guevara T-Shirt” socialism I’ve heard so much about?

          • @Addfwyn
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            We both know it wasn’t even Che Guevara T-Shirt socialism. It was definitely “I think the nordic model is pretty cool” socialism.

        • CyborgMarx [any, any]
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          Direct action is meaningless if you’re hostile to building a coalition broad enough to actually gain any significant political power

          The US isn’t a democracy, you can’t build coalitions with people who want to destroy everything you stand for, direct action got George Floyd justice not votes, and the people you back turned around and decided to fund the police to record levels, it’s a war not an electoral campaign

          I remember being young and convinced socialism was the way forward. Then I grew the fuck up and did some introspection.

          Do you know how to communicate in anything other than thought terminating clichés?

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        This is delusional. Direct action absolutely has its place, but all the things you mentioned were ultimately won at the ballot box. As it should be. Don’t let a childish revolution fetish blind you to what constitutes a viable framework for lasting progress.

        Edit - “Has.” As in he has a ball. Or she has a textbook.

        • Dr. Jenkem
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          It’s funny how libs think they can tell me when direct action is necessary, and it’s always in the past tense, never in the present.

          • @socsa
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            It’s funny when ML thinks they are the only leftists

            • Dr. Jenkem
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              Not an ML. And certainly don’t think I’m the only leftist. Lots of different types of leftists, many I disagree with. But unless you’re opposed to capitalism, then you’re a liberal, not a leftist.

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                • Dr. Jenkem
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                  Yup, like I said, lots of leftists I disagree with. That includes ML’s. What’s your point exactly?

            • @Addfwyn
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              I am a ML and everything I have seen of Jenkem’s posting here makes me think they are probably a leftist.

              We probably don’t agree on everything, but they’re no liberal.

    • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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      the only viable left leaning political party in the US

      I vote for Democrats because shit, why not? But what is the worth of a party that:

      • Does not function as a party (single defectors routinely kill major legislation without consequence)
      • Is incapable of countering the rising tide of fascism, or unwilling to do so
      • Has no plan to address the Supreme Court, which will continue to kill anything legitimately good if left unchecked
      • Is too beholden to capital to push even the most tepid climate change legislation (the Green New Deal)
      • Constantly attacks its left flank, preferring to chase the votes of suburban reactionaries
      • Isn’t even reliably pro-labor
      • Tailed popular movements on all sorts of civil rights issues
      • Still can’t be bothered to even de-schedule marijuana, the most slam-dunk popular policy one could imagine + a huge driver of mass incarceration
      • Is on basically the same page as Republicans with respect to foreign policy
      • Generally offers nothing besides “at least we’re not as bad as Republicans, most of the time”

      Where is that party going? It’s never going to meaningfully address climate change, it offers only crumbs to the working class, and any social change has to be led from the outside.

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      the only viable left leaning political party in the US?

      There is no “viable left leaning political party in the US” lmao. You are a far right country. Both parties are far right. If you were over here in the UK you would all be tories and even then I’m not sure if that’s far enough right for the average democrat.

    • RedQuestionAsker2 [any]
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      Commies and fascists are the same thing because they do the violence. The reasons they do the violence is not relevant.

      I, a good democrat, don’t do the violence. Those bodies that keep piling up in other (dirty, evil) countries during Democrat run governments are coincidental. All the funding I give to police departments totally aren’t related to the police blasting people in the streets daily. I know this because my ideology is totally not conservative.

    • @Addfwyn
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      the only viable left leaning political party in the US?

      I might be misunderstanding you, so I apologize if that is the case, but if you are referring to the Democrats they are far from left leaning. They aren’t even center leaning.

      You can’t even say they have a better track record than the Republicans. They bomb countries as much (or in recent years even more) than the Republicans. They advocate for wars. They fund ICE even more than the Republicans. They stand up just as much for reproductive rights (read: not at all). They just do all of it while waving a rainbow flag.

      I really hope you meant the Greens or the CPUSA; which have their own issues but are certainly more left than either the Democrats or Republicans.

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      the only viable left leaning political party in the US?

      If you mean the Democrats (which you must to say ““viable””) you are too lost in the sauce.

      “Come on guys, we should back the Strassers. They aren’t perfect but come on!”