Most of the time when people say they have an unpopular opinion, it turns out it’s actually pretty popular.
Do you have some that’s really unpopular and most likely will get you downvoted?
Most of the time when people say they have an unpopular opinion, it turns out it’s actually pretty popular.
Do you have some that’s really unpopular and most likely will get you downvoted?
Liberalism and socialism aren’t entirely incompatible concepts
It is called social democracy and it is wild to me that what is one of the best approach to capitalism is basically the boogeyman in the US.
To be fair, it’s also a Boogeyman on lemmy, apparently
Social democracy isn’t socialism - it’s just a compromise between nationalism and capitalism designed to prevent socialism.
Liberalism + Socialist, which imply something in-between, because yes, otherwise we’d just say socialism.
Social democracy = nationalism + capitalism. Ie… zero socialism involved in any way whatsoever. There is no such thing as a liberal that will accept the working class taking control of the means of production - on the contrary, liberals would rather ally themselves to fascists than allow socialism to take hold.
I am not sure what to tell you, I live in one of the few social democracy in America. Maybe have a look at the Wiki? It is a socialist model by definition, and the state does indeed own infrastructure around here. Care to link to your definition of social democracy?
Does the working class control the means of production where you live?
Yes?
No?
If it’s not the former, it’s not socialism. In any way whatsoever. Period. That is it.
Part of it yes, it is a mixed economy. State-owned corporations whenever it makes sense, welfare state, income redistribution, regulation of the economy, all in all within capitalism. Again, Social Democracy is just a subset of socialism applied to capitalism. Full-blown ownership of the means of production by the workers, without a private sector, that’d be just plain socialism or communism.
So the answer is no.
Which means… drumroll… no socialism involved whatsoever.
Soooo… no socialism?
Soooo… still no socialism?
There is no such thing as “plain socialism” - there is socialism and then there is not-socialism.
Partially wrong and right.
It has aspects of socialism such as welfare and promotion of social justice, while not entirely discarding capitalism.
Yes tho a lot of liberals indirectly or directly help push people toward facism instead of adopting more socialist or social democracy policies because capital above all else lol
“Welfare” is not socialist. It’s something states implemented to prevent socialist ideas from gaining ground - that’s how they ended up with the (so-called) “Scandinavian model.” Like every other country in the west, it was an anti-socialist measure used to prevent working class revolt - unlike actual socialism, it does not dismantle power and privilege but actively protects it.
Social justice isn’t even something that was implemented - power and privilege simply pretends to implement it.
I agree and disagree, I think the idea of welfare is/was well intentioned to work within the capitalist system by people wanting improvements, not an intentional crushing of socialist ideals, it’s a meshing of the two.
I do think socialism would be better for the world long-term but it’s not like attempting to integrate good social democracy policies is a negative lol.
How do you figure?