By Tyler Lyons On My Life Before Joining the Party Long before the onset of the COVID pandemic, I was struggling with my political identity. I had been disillusioned with…
At what point? Before creation of the RSFSR and Soviet Union the standing theory was that the revolution will spread to entire world and there will be no nations and no need for patriotism. Only in 1915 Lenin wrote in his article “On the Slogan for a United States of Europe”:
“Uneven economic and political development is an absolute law of capitalism. Hence, the victory of socialism is possible first in several or even in one capitalist country alone.”
But as we all know he was wrong about this too, the revolution did not happened in the most developed countries and failed everywhere where it started in Europe except Russia. And from there onwards, patriotism become necessary. When more socialist countries appeared after WW2 and various revolutions, patriotism became concept which is indispensable. All of courrent AES countries are very patriotic, which you can’t have a slightest doubt when you watch theirm media, their parades and listen to their politicians.
So yes and no, they were patriots, but Soviet patriots.
In short, patriotism not only have class characteristics, but even more, do you remember last time when the same people who just heavily downvoted @SaddamHussein24 were claiming that non-socialists from antiimperialist countries should not be patriotic? Syrians, Iranians, Bolivians, etc? Me neither, because this allergy to the word itself is the pure american exceptionalism, and they understand this deep down, but somebody conditioned them to deny non-US communists somehow just the word. It’s also incredibly undialectic.
Continuing in the spirit of Lenin, patriotism is like democracy: you can have proletarian patriotism and you can have bourgeoise patriotism. It’s even very easy to distinguish - you can look at DPRK or CPC for proletarian patriotism, and you can look at Bashar or Putin for bourgeoisie patriotism.
Even more, if you read “Notes From the Gallows” by the czech communist Julius Fucik, written by him shortly before his execution by nazis, he wonder about it there - lack of patriotism is very often a accusation for the socialists. But aren’t the socialist the only ones that really work for the good of the people? Therefore only socialists are patriots. And indeed, look at the compradors ruling everywhere nowadays and helping the international bougeoisie loot their countries, look at puppet US dictatorships, at neoloberals… are those patriots even in the broadest, liberal sense of the word? No way in hell. Look even at the US administration, their capitalism is so rotten that entire US now only serve the military-industrial sector and top financiere, which is not even national by now, even that can hardly be called “patriotism”.
So yes, dogs of Pavlov, i am patriot for PRL, the state that was destroyed, and for the future socialist Poland. This absolutely does not conflict with hating current comprador shithole. And i’m seething seeing how supposed ML are such undialectic, and i got banned almost every from the sub administered by Americans characteristically for this. I ask the question even here is this one of those places, but no admin answered me.
I suppose my idea of patriotism has just been severely morphed by constant propaganda and indoctrination from early childhood into something that’s not patriotism at all, because I’ve never found it appealing for that reason. I’ve always interpreted patriotism to be “even if my country can do better, it is still fundamentally doing right things”.
Yes, this is the upbringing issue. I seen this in a lot of cases of American communists - it’s not that they want to be like that, but they don’t have any other way, it was hammered in their heads and it take really a lot to overcome this. But it does happen, and not only at this issue - there’s several where the US perspective is pretty unique - for example racism, where they project the unique US perspective on the entire world, and they just can’t help but use the US “race science” terminology even though they are really against that racist shit. You can also easily see this for example around the debate about Sakai’s “Settlers”.
Oh god yeah, US “race science”, the dumbest shit ever. Apparently “latino” is a race now, even tho so called “latinos” are just europeans who immigrated to America and mixed with local indigenous people. Just shows you how racist the USA is, even latin europeans are inferior to them, only anglos are “racially pure”.
During the 30s/40s the US was almost as rascist as the nazis, if you look at some of the war posters with mussolini, Tojo and Hitler, they would make Mussolini brown for some reason (i dont know how it happened but anglos and western europeans hardly even think of south europeans as actual europeans, there was even a lot of rascism against Italians that is alive even today, along with the rascism against latin americans, that are basically portuguese and spanish people), and of course there was the completelly grotesque and deshumanizing propaganda against the japanese, only the germans escaped from the rascism (hmmm i wonder why?). Oh but during the ww1 era, when the US was even more rascist, they also depicted german soldiers as “cultureless barbarians” and american soldiers specially hated germans and generally killed them on sight, even after they surrendered.
Talking about nazis, they haved awfully similar views with the americans when it was about race science, on the early stages of nazi germany they even thought latin people where “mediterraneans”, with could have easilly been used to demonize then like they did to slavs and jews, they only did not because they started sucking the dick of Franco, Salazar and mussolini because they haved no allies, only after the diplomacy with the latin countrys got better that they flipped the “mediterraneans” from “european black people” to “achtually they are just like us”, Yugoupnik made an exellent video dissecting the bs of the nazis.
Moral of the story: yankees are assholes, they are able to find ways of rascism that not even the nazis thought it would made sense, like bruh, how much whiter your cracker asses want me to be so you can shut the fuck up? I already have portuguese and italian blood on me, but it doesnt count for them i guess? Race science is the dumbest shit to ever exist since capitalism was born.
“Caucasian” is the funniest shit ever, it’s like they just took aryan bullshit then rubbed last two neurons together and seen that it is nonsense, but instead of noticing the entire thing is a nonsense they tried to update it with rudimentary geography… Which make the result even more missed since the real caucasian people are those that are absolutely not counted as “white” by US racists, and the russian racists even called them “Black Asses”. This gentleman for example, heard this one a lot in his life.
The idea of “races” in general is completely stupid. The truth is that so called “races” are just a continuos spectrum of human physical charachteristics. You have 2 extremes, very white people like in Norway for example, and very black people like in Mali for example. The rest is just people in between those 2 extremes, forming a continuos spectrum depending on how much melanin your skin produces.
Thank you for your support PolandIsAStateOfMind! I too am a patriot for the Second Spanish Republic, an extremely progressive state that would have 100% become socialist if not for the fascist invaders. I must point something out tho Comrade. I dont agree that Bashar Al Assad is bourgeois patriotism, i think hes proletarian patriotism, since imo baathism is a scientific socialist ideology, very heavily inspired from marxism leninism. I highly recommend this presentation explaining baathist socialism and why its scientific socialism:
At what point? Before creation of the RSFSR and Soviet Union the standing theory was that the revolution will spread to entire world and there will be no nations and no need for patriotism. Only in 1915 Lenin wrote in his article “On the Slogan for a United States of Europe”:
“Uneven economic and political development is an absolute law of capitalism. Hence, the victory of socialism is possible first in several or even in one capitalist country alone.”
But as we all know he was wrong about this too, the revolution did not happened in the most developed countries and failed everywhere where it started in Europe except Russia. And from there onwards, patriotism become necessary. When more socialist countries appeared after WW2 and various revolutions, patriotism became concept which is indispensable. All of courrent AES countries are very patriotic, which you can’t have a slightest doubt when you watch theirm media, their parades and listen to their politicians.
So yes and no, they were patriots, but Soviet patriots.
In short, patriotism not only have class characteristics, but even more, do you remember last time when the same people who just heavily downvoted @SaddamHussein24 were claiming that non-socialists from antiimperialist countries should not be patriotic? Syrians, Iranians, Bolivians, etc? Me neither, because this allergy to the word itself is the pure american exceptionalism, and they understand this deep down, but somebody conditioned them to deny non-US communists somehow just the word. It’s also incredibly undialectic.
Continuing in the spirit of Lenin, patriotism is like democracy: you can have proletarian patriotism and you can have bourgeoise patriotism. It’s even very easy to distinguish - you can look at DPRK or CPC for proletarian patriotism, and you can look at Bashar or Putin for bourgeoisie patriotism.
Even more, if you read “Notes From the Gallows” by the czech communist Julius Fucik, written by him shortly before his execution by nazis, he wonder about it there - lack of patriotism is very often a accusation for the socialists. But aren’t the socialist the only ones that really work for the good of the people? Therefore only socialists are patriots. And indeed, look at the compradors ruling everywhere nowadays and helping the international bougeoisie loot their countries, look at puppet US dictatorships, at neoloberals… are those patriots even in the broadest, liberal sense of the word? No way in hell. Look even at the US administration, their capitalism is so rotten that entire US now only serve the military-industrial sector and top financiere, which is not even national by now, even that can hardly be called “patriotism”.
So yes, dogs of Pavlov, i am patriot for PRL, the state that was destroyed, and for the future socialist Poland. This absolutely does not conflict with hating current comprador shithole. And i’m seething seeing how supposed ML are such undialectic, and i got banned almost every from the sub administered by Americans characteristically for this. I ask the question even here is this one of those places, but no admin answered me.
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Yes, this is the upbringing issue. I seen this in a lot of cases of American communists - it’s not that they want to be like that, but they don’t have any other way, it was hammered in their heads and it take really a lot to overcome this. But it does happen, and not only at this issue - there’s several where the US perspective is pretty unique - for example racism, where they project the unique US perspective on the entire world, and they just can’t help but use the US “race science” terminology even though they are really against that racist shit. You can also easily see this for example around the debate about Sakai’s “Settlers”.
Oh god yeah, US “race science”, the dumbest shit ever. Apparently “latino” is a race now, even tho so called “latinos” are just europeans who immigrated to America and mixed with local indigenous people. Just shows you how racist the USA is, even latin europeans are inferior to them, only anglos are “racially pure”.
During the 30s/40s the US was almost as rascist as the nazis, if you look at some of the war posters with mussolini, Tojo and Hitler, they would make Mussolini brown for some reason (i dont know how it happened but anglos and western europeans hardly even think of south europeans as actual europeans, there was even a lot of rascism against Italians that is alive even today, along with the rascism against latin americans, that are basically portuguese and spanish people), and of course there was the completelly grotesque and deshumanizing propaganda against the japanese, only the germans escaped from the rascism (hmmm i wonder why?). Oh but during the ww1 era, when the US was even more rascist, they also depicted german soldiers as “cultureless barbarians” and american soldiers specially hated germans and generally killed them on sight, even after they surrendered.
Talking about nazis, they haved awfully similar views with the americans when it was about race science, on the early stages of nazi germany they even thought latin people where “mediterraneans”, with could have easilly been used to demonize then like they did to slavs and jews, they only did not because they started sucking the dick of Franco, Salazar and mussolini because they haved no allies, only after the diplomacy with the latin countrys got better that they flipped the “mediterraneans” from “european black people” to “achtually they are just like us”, Yugoupnik made an exellent video dissecting the bs of the nazis.
Moral of the story: yankees are assholes, they are able to find ways of rascism that not even the nazis thought it would made sense, like bruh, how much whiter your cracker asses want me to be so you can shut the fuck up? I already have portuguese and italian blood on me, but it doesnt count for them i guess? Race science is the dumbest shit to ever exist since capitalism was born.
“Caucasian” is the funniest shit ever, it’s like they just took aryan bullshit then rubbed last two neurons together and seen that it is nonsense, but instead of noticing the entire thing is a nonsense they tried to update it with rudimentary geography… Which make the result even more missed since the real caucasian people are those that are absolutely not counted as “white” by US racists, and the russian racists even called them “Black Asses”. This gentleman for example, heard this one a lot in his life.
The idea of “races” in general is completely stupid. The truth is that so called “races” are just a continuos spectrum of human physical charachteristics. You have 2 extremes, very white people like in Norway for example, and very black people like in Mali for example. The rest is just people in between those 2 extremes, forming a continuos spectrum depending on how much melanin your skin produces.
Thank you for your support PolandIsAStateOfMind! I too am a patriot for the Second Spanish Republic, an extremely progressive state that would have 100% become socialist if not for the fascist invaders. I must point something out tho Comrade. I dont agree that Bashar Al Assad is bourgeois patriotism, i think hes proletarian patriotism, since imo baathism is a scientific socialist ideology, very heavily inspired from marxism leninism. I highly recommend this presentation explaining baathist socialism and why its scientific socialism:
https://youtu.be/ufJzwzdM8sE
Peace Comrade! ✊